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In the Belly Of the Beast
Personal Liberty ^ | Nov 21st, 2008 | Bob Livingston

Posted on 11/29/2008 5:47:30 AM PST by IbJensen

The Christian faith is the only religion that cannot be manipulated in favor of one worldism or universalism sometimes called the New World Order. This is precisely why the world system and its political leaders hate, despise and persecute Christianity.

I hasten to explain that all the phony Christian fronts, televangelists and world evangelists are not Christians, but very much a part of the worldly system of antichrist.

All religions are collectivist religions except Christianity, which is an individual and individualist faith. Governments want and must have collectivism under some name whether it be democracy or communism.

Collectivism is a certain means of social, economic and religious control.

Politicians regularly espouse individualism, human liberty and democracy at the same time. Impossible! Individualism and human liberty are opposite to democracy and any other form of collectivism.

The collectivist mentality or the mass collective mind is the spirit of the New World Order. The collectivist man cannot oppose tyranny because he is himself tyranny. He is the reality of the supreme welfare state in its conspiracy of the ages to manipulate humanity against itself.

Collectivism is the foundation of the New World Order. It is supreme and total deception. It is completion of the tower of Babel. It is the conclusion and finished man without the spirit of Christ.

The collectivist mentality lures mankind into guidance from “higher authorities” (government). The crowd wants prepackaged truth and human freedom from government authority instead of using their own consciousness for making decisions and determining their own actions.

Hence, they are easily deceived and manipulated under some altruistic nonsense. Collective man wants the external authority of government instead of the spirit and mind of Christ. The animal farm is that world arena wherein man collectively surrenders himself, his personal being, his ego to collective and obedient faith in government authority.

It’s all very simple. A crowd can be manipulated into an altered state of consciousness (Hitler’s torchlight parades) finally evolving into a growing attitude of docility, whereas an individualistic person cannot be manipulated so easily. The state always considers that a self-sufficient and independent thinker is a threat to collectivism and its deception of the masses.

Thus, the Christian takes on the being and Spirit of Christ. His total allegiance is to The Living God. He will not sacrifice himself for “the common good” or “higher causes.” He cannot be manipulated by the State.

The welfare state must absolutely keep the people from the individualistic tendency of thinking for themselves.

Government parasites extract their wealth, power and pomp from mass deception based upon altruistic sacrifices of the workers and producers of wealth. Their greatest fear is that this will be revealed.

Human liberty is of God, not a privilege of the state. Let’s put on the whole Armor of God!


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...all the phony Christian fronts, televangelists and world evangelists are not Christians, but very much a part of the worldly system of antichrist.

Amen.

1 posted on 11/29/2008 5:47:30 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Bump!


2 posted on 11/29/2008 5:56:26 AM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: IbJensen

Now for the pessimist .02.
One religion exhorts its followers to love the enemy and turn the other cheek. Another religion exhorts its followers to fight, enslave and slaughter the other wherever he be found.
You don’t need much game theory for the outcome.


3 posted on 11/29/2008 5:56:49 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

The difference is that the “Commander-in-Chief” is coming to personally take care of business. One group has an earthly perspective and thus fights with the weapons of the world, the other has an eternal perspective and thus waits on the King of Kings to vanquish the foe by the breath of His mouth.

As He powerfully spoke in the beginning, He shall again.


4 posted on 11/29/2008 6:09:30 AM PST by scott7278 (It's going to be a rough four years on the good ship Obamapop.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

But when a Christian sees a great wrong, if we follow the actions of Jesus, we can act with aggression. The story of the money changers in the temple show this.


5 posted on 11/29/2008 6:10:12 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: IbJensen

Right on!

Amen!


6 posted on 11/29/2008 6:11:16 AM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: sasafras
Another variant that is heard to no end and annoys me to no end is that every little thing is a "Team Effort".

I don't need a cheerleader or a dead weight who gets credit for doing nothing by just standing around involved in every aspect of my life.

Since I am an individual and act like one, that tends to annoy the powers that be.

It is funny when the all of the blind in a group have to make a decision to do anything when under the least pressure. They can't and go into meltdown.

7 posted on 11/29/2008 6:11:21 AM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: IbJensen
Thus, the Christian takes on the being and Spirit of Christ. His total allegiance is to The Living God. He will not sacrifice himself for “the common good” or “higher causes.”

I am not sure what you mean by this. If you have ever experienced a Christian missionary community you will see great sacrifice for the common good or higher cause. Often missionaries, especially in hospitals, work across faith lines responding simply to the need of the suffering.

8 posted on 11/29/2008 6:19:17 AM PST by spatso
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Christianity has a long history of creating factions that favor collectivist social change; “Liberation Theology” is only one the latest. Christians (occasionally including influential American Christians) have been involved in union movements, movements calling for various kinds of government programs intended to improve the welfare or prospects of various portions of the population, and many similar efforts.

And it doesn’t help to claim that these people are not “True Christians” - they define themselves as such, and God has not seen fit to provide an unambiguous method of separating the “true” from the “untrue”, instead leaving the task to fallible humans. For example within my lifetime Christian supporters of civil rights for black Americans were frequently referred to by other Christian Americans as “communists” bent on subverting “the American way of life” because they opposed government mandated racial segregation.


9 posted on 11/29/2008 6:21:49 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: spatso
I am not sure what you mean by this.

What the author is saying, I believe, is that if one 'believes' he should be sacrificing himself for such socialist claptrap as the 'common good' or 'higher cause' he has turned his back on God.

A Christian community, such as a mission or a monastery is different because these entities are wholly serving God. Through community they assist one another, but indeed the concentration is God and works pleasing to Him.

10 posted on 11/29/2008 6:24:13 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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Christianity and Judaism have one thing in common that all other faiths lack—superior social efficacy when secular institutions embrace their root values.

Why are Judeo/Christian based societies the most advanced and just on earth?

The one true God is neither an arbitrary slave master nor a feckless savage.
He did not give Man free-will so that selfish mortal tyrants may suppress or obtuse secular intellectuals corrupt it. "What works," is the supreme principle of both Judaism and Christianity--oh and conservatism as well--go figure. If any wish to brand me a bigot,let them check the historical record. Sure,many evils have been done by many faiths in the so-called name of various dieties. But which ones have done the most good? It is too easy to rest my case.

11 posted on 11/29/2008 6:30:46 AM PST by Happy Rain ("I hope Mr. Obama will be a great president--but then again I also hope to lose 30 pounds.")
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To: IbJensen

American Center for Law and Justice & European Center has been in court on a ‘Defamation of Religions’ case with the UN. ACLJ says they are having some trouble with the UN.

http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=697

http://www.eclj.org/PDF/080626_ECLJ_submission_to_OHCHR_on_Combating_Defamation_of_Religions_June2008.pdf


12 posted on 11/29/2008 6:33:57 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Dutch Boy
But when a Christian sees a great wrong, if we follow the actions of Jesus, we can act with aggression. The story of the money changers in the temple show this.

The real Jesus Christ and the milquetoast substitute that has been promulgated by generations of emasculated religious hierarchies are indeed worlds apart. As a child, I was presented with a Jesus seen only through the lens of a simpering, cowardly piety; thankfully, the Spirit eventually led me to the Word in full.

Mr. niteowl77

13 posted on 11/29/2008 6:34:51 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: Happy Rain
"But which ones have done the most good? It is too easy to rest my case."

Well, you can also bolster your argument by pointing out which ones have done the most harm. Those are invariably socialist/collectivist. Marxism is by far the most harmful, followed by Nazism. Run-of-the-mill authoritarians and dictators aren't even in the same class as those.

14 posted on 11/29/2008 6:38:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: IbJensen

I have noticed that many Christian ministers have turned into motivational speakers.


15 posted on 11/29/2008 6:39:19 AM PST by HollyB
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To: IbJensen
A Christian community, such as a mission or a monastery is different because these entities are wholly serving God. Through community they assist one another, but indeed the concentration is God and works pleasing to Him.

I am not sure that Jesus would be very comfortable with this narrow definition. Did Jesus not call us out in very specific terms to reach out to others. Indeed in the parable of the Good Samaritan Jesus clearly establishes that good works are not limited to people of faith. It seems to me that we do God's work anytime we respond to anyone that reaches out for help. Do you not think the whole tone of this thread is a little unChristian?

16 posted on 11/29/2008 6:41:49 AM PST by spatso
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That’s why we have the old Testement/Eye for an Eye/Jewish buffer. It this case, I can swing both ways.


17 posted on 11/29/2008 6:48:17 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: IbJensen
"All religions are collectivist religions except Christianity, which is an individual and individualist faith. Governments want and must have collectivism under some name whether it be democracy or communism. "

This is exactly the reason that Christianity is so demonized by the left...individualism. The leftie socialist wannabes are so into "groupthink", they cannot function without it.

This is why when you try to debate or argue with a democrat, all you get are "talking points", and when s/he runs out of those, it's shouting and insults. Groups are to liberals like the teleprompter is to obama...they can't function without it.

Fish are democrats. Yes! Just watch the animal shows, you'll see a school of 50,000 fish - on fish turns left, they all turn left...follow the group. Birds may be democrats too, as they have the unison thing down pretty good too...except perhaps the Eagle.

I read somewhere that Daniel Webster once said, "Whatever makes men Christians, also makes them good citizens". I believe that.
18 posted on 11/29/2008 6:48:57 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: spatso
" Do you not think the whole tone of this thread is a little unChristian? "

I do. There is no doubt that religion influences one's politics, and that politics influences one's religion.

Most here, however, would deny that second part. :)

19 posted on 11/29/2008 6:49:18 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: IbJensen
Every little control freak out there wants to be a gate keeper....collecting tolls....exploiting every bit of leverage his/her pea brain can muster.
News....you are not God. Get over it. Just because you read “The Prince”, are a graduate EST-Hole or finished Wharton does not make you smart. A street pimp can pick up those basics in a week.

Work on caring more about other people then you do about yourself, without guilt. That's where the answer lies.......
Learn that living off "victim currency" is fraud, and that by understanding the true meaning of sacrifice you may find it has nothing to do with being a martyr.

20 posted on 11/29/2008 6:52:54 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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