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Sought: Wal-Mart shoppers who trampled NY worker
AP via Yahoo News ^ | Nov 29 , 2008 | COLLEEN LONG

Posted on 11/29/2008 5:27:02 AM PST by ETL

NEW YORK – Police were reviewing video from surveillance cameras in an attempt to identify who trampled to death a Wal-Mart worker after a crowd of post-Thanksgiving shoppers burst through the doors at a suburban store and knocked him down.

Criminal charges were possible, but identifying individual shoppers in Friday's video may prove difficult, said Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, a Nassau County police spokesman.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: longisland; walmart
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To: tsmith130; ETL; Tax-chick

To many, if the time reads “AM”, then it’s morning. He might have meant that he was on line since shortly after midnight.


81 posted on 11/29/2008 6:39:20 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Tax-chick

I think she could have had some sense that being in front of a Walmart, pregnant, at the opening of “Black Friday” (all of our Fridays will be black until at least 2013) was not the place to be: still, it was not her fault that there were those who were selfish and dangerous in their behavior. Hope the mother and “viable tissue mass” are doing well. Maybe next time: go online.


82 posted on 11/29/2008 6:39:42 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: PapaBear3625
Walmart may want to re-think the idea of having store specials which attract hordes of unruly urban underclass shoppers.

Then who the heck is left to shop there? That's their entire shopper base.

83 posted on 11/29/2008 6:40:42 AM PST by Veggie Todd (Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices... - Nancy Pelosi, April 2006)
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To: autumnraine
I was banging on the door in a panic to get the employees to open them, but I guess they thought I was just some crazy shopper who wanted to get in to get the deals.

Now THAT's funny...in a black humor sort of way. :)

84 posted on 11/29/2008 6:41:00 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL

DANG, the economy must be bad, if people are killing each other to get in the door. /sac


85 posted on 11/29/2008 6:41:46 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Tax-chick

“Witness Kimberly Cribbs said shoppers acted like “savages.” “

Hmmmmm.......I think Obama would call that racist.


86 posted on 11/29/2008 6:41:50 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (WELCOME TO THE OBAMANATION!!!!! Hold on to your wallets and your guns folks!)
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To: ETL

They all figure they have more disposable income this year,they think beginning January 20th the chosen one will be paying for their gas and their mortgages.


87 posted on 11/29/2008 6:43:49 AM PST by pineybill (`)
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To: DOGHEAD
I believe that Wal Mart is at fault for having these type of “sales” in the first place. it sounds like they should have known a few things here... And were willfully negligent

Black Friday sales are not an invention of WalMart. They opened a little later than some stores, earlier than some others.

I fail to understand your reasoning that WalMart is at fault for "having that type of sale". If this had happened at Kohl's (who opened at 4am this year) would you feel the same way about negligence?

88 posted on 11/29/2008 6:43:56 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: 1rudeboy

See post #67


89 posted on 11/29/2008 6:44:12 AM PST by Anita1 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Veggie Todd
Then who the heck is left to shop there? That's their entire shopper base.

I shop there, and I'm a middle-class professional. The suburban Walmart that I shop at has a primarily white/suburban customer base.

90 posted on 11/29/2008 6:46:01 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: foolscap
Why the heck did Wal-Mart have their employees form a human chain? They know there are stampedes like this almost every year at different stores. The shoppers are guilty but the store is also part of the problem for putting their employees at risk.

Exactly. This could have been prevented if the management would have better organized the event by having more security guards, to keep the lines in order and by tickets out for certain limited items.

91 posted on 11/29/2008 6:46:03 AM PST by Kaslin (0bama was not elected. He was instead selected by the MSM)
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To: Nick Thimmesch

Standing around in the cold for hours while pregnant is not my idea of a good time, no matter what the purpose. I’m still wondering what all those people wanted so badly. Maybe it’s just a ritual, to wait in line for a store to open, and they don’t really calculate whether they’re actually going to buy anything at a terrific discount.

I went to my Wal-mart at 10:00 a.m. for groceries, and there weren’t a lot of people there.


92 posted on 11/29/2008 6:46:12 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: DOGHEAD

After this stampede of animals turns to death, they opened this store hours later. Business as usual. :(


93 posted on 11/29/2008 6:46:48 AM PST by GodBlessUSA ( God Bless You and Thank You! Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: ETL

Good luck identifying them. And aint none of em is gonna talk to the man.


94 posted on 11/29/2008 6:46:49 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The White House may have changed, but there's still the Cracker Barrel.)
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To: ETL
The people calling to break down the doors were idiots for sure, but this is a well understood problem in crowd control: it is common for a small minority of impatient members of such a group - from any social class - to attempt to gain entry in such situations. Unfortunately once the front ranks of such a crowd surge forward for any reason everyone behind them must move forward and keep moving or be trampled under. This is true irrespective of the intentions of individuals in the crowd, which is why you read about such incidents from time to time.

The only way to prevent this from happening is to prevent the crowd from massing in front of an exit or entry, the correct crowd control strategy is to funnel the crowd between barriers until it is reduced down to single lines of individuals. This is not a perfect strategy, but if the "funnel" is long enough it's quite effective.

Any venue which routinely experiences crowds seeking entry (for example sporting and entertainment events) has a security staff and procedures in place to deal with this even if the crowds are impatient or unruly, the problem here is either the crowd was unanticipated or that the venue was unfamiliar with crowd control.

95 posted on 11/29/2008 6:47:14 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Anita1

I saw that. It was a nice try . . . I found it humorous also.


96 posted on 11/29/2008 6:47:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: autumnraine

Several years ago when I lived in Richmond, VA, one of the local school systems decided to replace their Apple laptops and sell all the old ones for $50 each. The demand was so high they had to move the sale from a county surplus warehouse to the Richmond International Raceway complex (which is also the Virginia State Fairgrounds).

On the morning of the sale, there were literally *thousands* of people out there to buy several hundred $50 laptops. When they finally opened the gates, there was a stampede in which several people were injured, old women with walkers were thrown down on the ground, children were trampled, the whole bit. All this for four-year-old laptops, most of which had problems of some sort, shot batteries, broken keys, etc., and many required hundreds of dollars of additional accessories. My wife almost got caught in that stampede, but thankfully, after seeing the crowds and the two-mile traffic jam to get in, she turned around and came home.

And the makeup of the crowd was very similar to what’s in the pictures in post #3.

}:-)4


97 posted on 11/29/2008 6:47:55 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: P8riot


Thats not fair to the people who the cards were stolen from. Oops. Did I say that?
98 posted on 11/29/2008 6:49:29 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The White House may have changed, but there's still the Cracker Barrel.)
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To: ETL

The problem is that the people who knocked him down may not have really been to blame.

Anyone who has ever been at a concert where there was a stage rush knows that it’s the people behind the ones in front that cause the problem. I was at a show in 1989 where a girl fell in front of me and it was only good luck for her that she didn’t get trampled.


99 posted on 11/29/2008 6:49:44 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: ETL
There is a cure for this problem. IT'S CALLED AMAZON PEOPLE! WAKE THE F*** UP!
100 posted on 11/29/2008 6:49:45 AM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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