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ANYONE under 1 year of age could get a Hawaiian birth certificate until 1972.
Department of Health, State of Hawaii ^

Posted on 11/28/2008 2:37:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.

Certified copies of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may be requested following the procedures for certified copies of standard birth certificates (see Certified Copies). The eligibility requirements for issuance of a certified copy of a standard birth certificate apply to Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. And the same fees charged for standard birth certificates are charged for Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. Copies of the set of testimony used to establish a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may also be requested, and an additional fee is charged for each copy of the set of testimony.

Any person to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth has been issued may submit a request to amend an entry, including a legal change of name, on an existing Certificate. A request to amend a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health. Should there be a situation of dual registration, the requested amendment will be made to the standard birth certificate on file if the required documentary evidence in support of the amendment has been submitted and evaluated to be adequate. If there is no standard birth certificate on file, an applicant is required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts necessary to support of the registration of the late certificate of birth. If approved, the late birth certificate will be registered in place of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which must then be surrendered to the Department of Health.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; releasetherecords; showthecert
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To: TChad

Since we haven’t seen the original COLB for Obama...we really don’t know the following about him:

**Actual birthdate...Is is really Aug. 4th 1961?
**Father..Is it really Obama Sr.?

Questions about the newspaper birth announcement.:

Why is it listed in one copy of the newspaper as Osama and another copy of the same newspaper as Obama??

Birth announcement house address has been addressed on the long thread.
It has NOT been associated with the Dunham’s, Ann, or Obama Sr.

A red herring? Perhaps. They absolutely are more examples of the discrepancies associated with Obama Jr.


161 posted on 11/28/2008 7:28:07 PM PST by Iowan
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To: Bon mots
Oh, that settles it. So let's just forget about a birth certificate. It's absolutely impossible to fake a newspaper and photocopy it 30 times. This photocopy is fake and looks fake. It was deliberately made to look old and worn and like it was copied 100 time.

I have no idea what you are getting at in regard to my post #29.

Did you misread what I said?

I just pointed out that newspapers will print birth information given to them. They don't verify it. It doesn't have to be true or accurate.

162 posted on 11/28/2008 7:38:30 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: Chief Engineer

Thank you! Were both hospitals existing in 1961? I spent a week in Queen’s in 1969 and it did not seem very new at that time.


163 posted on 11/28/2008 7:43:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

How do you know that Barack’s mother and father were not really in Kenya when Obama was born and knowing that one day their son would be elected President of the United States, sent an e-mail to their good buddy Macolm X and asked him to place the Obama Birth Announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper?


164 posted on 11/28/2008 7:46:14 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: little jeremiah

Some people have said that Kapiolani was not built until after Jr was born but there is evidence to the contrary. Mark Davis, the actual son of Frank Marshall Davis, was born at Kapiolani in 1950. Perhaps the present hospital was expanded between the time Jr was born and the present. Going to the Kapiolani Medical Center I found this:

“Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii’s mothers and their babies, Queen Kapi’olani opened the Kapi’olani Maternity Home in 1890. From its inception, the hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women and children. “

So in one form or another Kapiolani has been in existence since 1890, first as a maternity home.


165 posted on 11/28/2008 7:55:45 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: justiceseeker93
How many times do you have to photocopy a photocopy of a newspaper posting to get that much distortion and lines, and why would you do it to make it look old? Too bad we don't have the August 4th in half case.
166 posted on 11/28/2008 8:08:10 PM PST by Foolsgold ("We live in the greatest country in the world and I am going to change it" Barry O'boomarang 2008)
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To: Foolsgold

The quality is what a copy of a microfiche record would look like.


167 posted on 11/28/2008 8:23:11 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: trumandogz
"How do you know that Barack’s mother and father were not really in Kenya when Obama was born and knowing that one day their son would be elected President of the United States, sent an e-mail to their good buddy Macolm X and asked him to place the Obama Birth Announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper?"

Rhetorical question I presume..........

168 posted on 11/28/2008 8:27:54 PM PST by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: TaxPayer2000

I know, it just does not make sense, since we all know that Obama’s real father is Malcolm X.


169 posted on 11/28/2008 8:32:11 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Iowan
They absolutely are more examples of the discrepancies associated with Obama Jr.

Fine, and investigating those discrepancies might turn up something interesting, but in the end it probably will not matter what those newspapers say. Obama's birth history will not be established by newspapers. Anyone can announce a birth in a newspaper, and can specify whatever address for the parents that he wants to. The newspaper does not vet the source or verify the birth information. It is inherently unreliable data, made even less reliable after it rendered as Internet images.

What is critical here are the "vault COLB" and the hospital/physician records, or the absence of such documents. I hope that the lawsuits force those documents or their absence to be divulged to the public. As I have said, I hope they verify Obama's claim to be a natural-born citizen. If they do not, things will get ugly.

170 posted on 11/28/2008 8:32:54 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad
Perhaps, we should put birth announcements in various papers for O’s birth in Kenya.
171 posted on 11/28/2008 8:42:09 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
Have you seen the birth announcement in the local paper in Hawaii from a few days after the birth certificate?

Yes, what's your point?

The State registrar routinely provided all recent births registered in Hawaii to the newspapers for them to publish.

All the 0bama entry proves is that his birth was registered with the state - we already know that.

It doesn't prove WHERE he was born.

The newspaper entry is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

172 posted on 11/28/2008 8:44:49 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: Chief Engineer

I beleive you are incorrect about BO not living at that address.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/0/NEWS01

The future president’s first boyhood home is still standing on Kalaniana’ole Highway, in the Kuli’ou’ou area between ‘Aina Haina and Hawai’i Kai.

The yellow, four-bedroom, single-story home was built in 1948. Nani Smethurst, who has owned the home since 1979, said the place is essentially the same as it was when it was built, although it has been upgraded and landscaped by Smethurst, who is an architect.

The property also has a 450-square-foot cottage in the back that was built in 1953.

Smethurst said she recently noticed people coming around to peer at her home. Then she began receiving calls from local and Mainland newspapers inquiring about Obama’s first home.

“I didn’t know,” Smethurst said. “And then we got a call from someone saying did you know your home is Barack Obama’s first home. It seems that somebody knew. A lot of people, when passing through, would come take a look and maybe take pictures.”

She said someone posted the address on the Internet. That July posting contained a photocopy of what is most likely the first mention of Barack Obama ever published — a tiny, one-line birth notice in the Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961, edition of The Honolulu Advertiser:

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.”


173 posted on 11/28/2008 8:47:35 PM PST by ga medic
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To: Wil H

It does eliminate the idea his birth was recorded substantially later than his birth date.


174 posted on 11/28/2008 8:48:52 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Doesn’t matter if he had dual citizenship as well as an adopted allegiance to Indonesia after Soetoro adopted him.


175 posted on 11/28/2008 8:53:15 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: ga medic

“The Honolulu Advertiser” did NOT research that article before they ran with the story and the birth announcement address! Even Jr himself wrote about the first home his grandparents lived in when they moved to Hawaii. On Pg 39 of his book when he talks about the walking tours the family went on while his father was visiting, he says (paraphrased) “On one of our walking tours I was shown the first house my grandparents lived in when they moved to Hawaii, a house I hadn’t known about, the one before the house on University Avenue.” When Obama Sr was visiting in 1971 he was recuperating from a car accident in which he had injured his leg and was using a cane. It would have been impossible for Sr or Jr to walk 14 miles round trip from the apartment on Beretania St. The paper also doesn’t mention that none of Sr’s friends mentions Ann, they use obscure wording such as “it is possible”, “might have” etc. and they fail to mention Ann not being on the island from August of 1961 until 1963. I actually believe the apartment listed for 1963 was rented for Ann and Jr by her parents upon her return to Hawaii. When she returned to school in the spring of 1963 she moved in with her parents at the “large wooden home at 2277 Kamehameha Ave.” Please also note that the area where the birth announcement house is located is an extremely high priced area beyond the means of a bank employee and a furtniture salesman let alone two “starving students”, especially considering it is within walking distance of the ocean.


176 posted on 11/28/2008 8:59:38 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: razorback-bert
Perhaps, we should put birth announcements in various papers for O’s birth in Kenya.

Great idea. You write the Swahili and I'll, uh, watch.

177 posted on 11/28/2008 9:03:25 PM PST by TChad
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To: ga medic
By 1963 the Dunhams had moved into Apartment 110 of a six-year-old building at 1427 Alexander Street, records show.

I notice that they don't state the records show they lived at the other address.

Who does the records show living there then?

178 posted on 11/28/2008 9:17:53 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: Cicero
One is a two line ad, the other is three. Which is the fraud? Doing research in the past using reel-to-reel microfiche of newspapers in libraries and personally observing how they get scratched, I'm betting on the three-liner.

Three line ad:

Two line ad:

There's alot of false/misinformation out there. Time to see the original.

179 posted on 11/28/2008 9:31:54 PM PST by theymakemesick (Buraq - The winged creature that carried mohammed on his Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem)
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To: ga medic

Why the hell are we and not the DNC situating his first home?

Does Obama expect US to build his historica legacy?

This is insane.


180 posted on 11/28/2008 9:33:24 PM PST by txhurl (somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars)
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