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1 posted on 11/26/2008 6:42:32 AM PST by AJKauf
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#6...didn’t promise free stuff.


2 posted on 11/26/2008 6:45:24 AM PST by HappyinAZ
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Great first comment on the article. GET IN LINE! First you have to win back me-a white Christian pro-life conservative. Then you can worry about going after others.


3 posted on 11/26/2008 6:45:33 AM PST by icwhatudo
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"Republicans need to re-brand their party and convince Hispanics they’re welcome. "

The legal ones ARE welcomed.

However, the way America has been skewed the past 50 years, "welcoming minorities" usually means giving in to their every whim and turn kissing their butts into an olympic event.

If these Hispanics and other minorities want to be "welcomed" into any group, party, or function, they they too should learn to play by the rules. The conservatives of this country have no problem helping anyone who tries to help themselves.

But most of us have a little problem dedicating ourselves to a life of working, paying taxes, and raising our families to anyone who has made a career out of finding ways to take it all away from us.

Actually, this article is a backhanded way to slamming conservatives by assuming that we don't accept Hispanics. The flip-side of that coin is, we don't believe in "free everything" just because you are a different color or speak a different language.

When in Rome.......
4 posted on 11/26/2008 6:50:36 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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Say what? This is total tripe! Run your party and your campaign and your life on Conservative ideals. I’m NOT interested in trying to coax a bunch of taco-breath Mexicans to join our cause because we have to promise them goodies.
Screw these illegals. All they want is a handout and to take over the Western half of the US.


5 posted on 11/26/2008 6:53:05 AM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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The article gives a lot of examples, but it doesn't go the root cause of the repeat of the 1986 amnesty law strongly pushed by some Republicans (McCain and Graham are at the top of the list) and a lot of Democrats. It was very apparent early on that amnesty was not popular, but their pushing for it and telling the electorate how stupid they were for opposing it caused a massive backlash.

If they had backed off, seen the error of repeating the 1986 with amnesty now for a promise of border enforcement in the future and gone to shut down the border first, allow new farm and work visas to those requesting them and having job offers already in hand, and considering how to handle the illegals here, it might have worked. Instead they pushed for a hurried bill through Congress without proper investigation of the costs and the citizens melted the Congressional phone lines.

What was the emergency that required amnesty to be passed by Memorial Day 2007 and not one day later? I think the supporters just didn't want it carefully considered so the feigned an emergency and lit a fire of opposition.

6 posted on 11/26/2008 6:53:44 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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Nonsense. The only mistakes the GOP made that lost Hispanics are the same mistakes they made that lost everyone else:
* Overspending
* Not fighting for smaller government
* Not fighting against redistribution
* Not purging the currupt


7 posted on 11/26/2008 6:55:17 AM PST by sanchmo
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" five things that Republicans did which cost them Hispanic support."

"* They made language and culture the issue rather than illegality, which irked U.S.-born Hispanics who might otherwise have stayed out of the fray;"

BS. It was always about illegals. The minutemen weren't out to stop Cinco de Mayo and soccer-they were out to stop illegal immigration.

" * They let the debate digress from one that was anti-illegal immigration to one that was anti-immigrant to, finally, one that was anti-Hispanic;"

The media framed it that way on purpose for obvious reasons-it works-sadly even on convincing pajamas media that it was all about racism and not illegals.

"* They fell into the trap of offering simple solutions to what remains a complicated problem;"

Building a wall and enforcing the law is not complicated-never was.

" * They either assumed that Hispanics were not in play or that they could win some of those votes on the cheap with a spattering of Spanish ads."

The Spanish ads only cost them votes with their base.

9 posted on 11/26/2008 6:56:44 AM PST by icwhatudo
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Enough already...the GOP doesn't need to make any apologies to Hispanics!

Hispanics who are overwhelmingly Catholic and the Jewish need to examine their conscience before they vote. No Jew or Christian worth their weight in salt should have ever voted for Hussein or any other pro-abortion candidate! PERIOD!

11 posted on 11/26/2008 6:59:16 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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"...It doesn’t mean alienating core voters, but it does means being more inclusive."

I've had it about being inclusive! What about being here legally, speaking English (the language of our country, commerce, etc.) not stealing IDs to work and get government freebies, do these people NOT understand?

As to being inclusive, exactly what IS their problem?????

Inquiring minds want to know (except we already know about THAT one), it means we roll over on our values, lay down and play dead (just as gays are insisting over Prop. 8 on marriage.)

Remember, all they wanted was to "live their own lives the way that they wished" then we find out that means scrapping millions of years of marriage tradition to accomodate whatever is their latest craze - does marrying one's horse come next - if so, are we again not being "inclusive" to the gays?

12 posted on 11/26/2008 6:59:36 AM PST by zerosix
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It would have helped tremendously if McLame would have hammered Obama about abortion and infanticide.

But being truthful about Obama's pro abortion/pro infanticide history would have been "mean spirited" and not an "honorable" way to run his campaign.

13 posted on 11/26/2008 7:11:01 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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Contrary to what some have posted, there was nothing in the article to suggest that Hispanics wanted a pay-off to vote for Republicans. There are many Latino (and Filipino and Asian) small businessmen and women who are very entrepnurial and culturally conservative. Our message to them on these issues should resonate. We must make it clear that our ideas our good for all people, white, black, brown,... If we let ourselves be identified as the party of only white Southerners, the electoral map of 11/4/08 will be repeated over and over.


14 posted on 11/26/2008 7:11:18 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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The article wanted desperately to blame republicans and not the media for the various perceptions of how the Republicans were viewed by others. The party has no voice, it is the media that does it all.

Imagine yourself a fence sitter and deciphering all you know about Republicans was gleaned from the MSM. You would quickly find yourself in the Obama camp. At least he was offering something.

I’m of the mind that a candidate offering anything but principles I can believe in and which are a part of the foundation upon which the country was built, is offering too much. Not everyone is made that way.

Then there is that branch of the disloyal Republicans who wouldn’t vote for this or that candidate because they are stuck on what the media says, right or wrong. We saw lots of evidence during the primaries.

How to take on the media and their distortions as well as their half truths, and deception, intended to make them the ships compass, is the real answer to the dilemma.


17 posted on 11/26/2008 7:16:29 AM PST by wita
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Yeah, let’s take advice from an open-borders Quisling.


18 posted on 11/26/2008 7:20:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Hey, Naverette- Kiss my nativist grits you racist bastard.


19 posted on 11/26/2008 7:23:17 AM PST by TADSLOS (McCain Courted Socialism and Brought Us Marxism Instead)
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The majority of Hispanics, minorities, and legal immigrants vote Democrat. By 2042 half of the country will be minorities. By 2050, one in three residents of this country will be Hispanic and one in five foreign born. This translates into a permanent majority status for the Dems.

The numbers of immigrants, blacks, and Hipanics will be increasing. Demography is destiny.

21 posted on 11/26/2008 7:30:48 AM PST by kabar
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For those who may not have taken the trouble to read all the way to page two at the article:

Specifically, there are five things that Republicans did which cost them Hispanic support.

* They made language and culture the issue rather than illegality, which irked U.S.-born Hispanics who might otherwise have stayed out of the fray;

* They didn’t condemn the racism in their ranks on the part of those who believe that Hispanic immigrants are inferior to the immigrants of old;

* They let the debate digress from one that was anti-illegal immigration to one that was anti-immigrant to, finally, one that was anti-Hispanic;

* They fell into the trap of offering simple solutions to what remains a complicated problem



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* They either assumed that Hispanics were not in play or that they could win some of those votes on the cheap with a spattering of Spanish ads.

22 posted on 11/26/2008 7:31:36 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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“Meanwhile, Republicans need to re-brand their party and convince Hispanics they’re welcome. If they believe their ideas on education, economics, defense, trade, foreign policy, and other issues are superior, let them make that case to Hispanics.”

Fearless prediction:
Once the “rebranding” is done, Hispanics will take a look at Republicans and their “conservative” ideas, and simply decide they prefer what the democrats have to offer.

Next fearless prediction:
Any hopes that Republicans and conservatives have of securing “the Hispanic vote” will be about as successful as their attempts at winning “the black vote” - and we saw how that went this past November 4th. Or, for that matter, the “Jewish vote”....

Yes, about 20% of all Hispanics voted Republican this time ‘round - but that means that 80% DID NOT. Even if the Republicans were to pick up half again as many Hispanic votes as they got in November, the split would still remain 70/30 in the democrats’ favor.

Now, double or triple the _raw numbers_ of Hispanics eligible to vote in America, which is what will happen when the illegals are legalized. With numerical and demographic power like that, how will it become possible for Republicans to win in the future?

To make matters worse, the notion of “re-branding” the party into something Hispanics will be attracted to, will DRIVE AWAY the conservatives who comprise a large part of the Republican party today. Exactly HOW are you going to change the party’s image, without changing what it stands for?

There’s a very hard truth that Republicans and conservatives must own up to:
Not all whites are conservative, but
...the overwhelming majority of conservatives are white.

The party “is what it is” because it represents the traditional American conservative values that - by and large - are embraced pretty much exclusively by white folks in America. As the raw numbers of Ameri-Euros decline, they are destined to “lose their political voice” as their ability to speak it (by winning elections) also begins to fade. We are seeing the result of this in states like New Mexico and North Carolina. In the former, the state has tipped to the blue side because Euros no longer comprise a majority there; in the latter, the non-Euro demographics are starting to creep upwards, even as the Euro population (and vote) holds steady.

I wish I could offer more optimism on this subject, but I cannot. I look into the future and see only further division and cultural conflicts ahead. Such is the nature of “diversity”. And like the notions of diversity and multiculturalism, conservative ideals cannot be “re-branded” into something that they are not. Changing only the label on the bottle doesn’t change what’s inside.

And “what’s inside” the “conservative bottle” appeals to the tastebuds of a particular ethnic group in America, and in all likelihood will never draw the interest of others....

- John


27 posted on 11/26/2008 8:11:46 AM PST by Fishrrman
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Navarrette is right. I’ve tried several times to convey on this site that the Hispanic vote is ours for the taking if we exercise some forethought in the way in which we convey our conservative principles.

To wit, the following will not work:
“Hey, you, ‘taco-breath Mexican’: vote Republican!”

On the other hand, these might just work:
“Latino: Vote to keep more of your hard-earned money, vote for lower taxes, vote Republican.”

“Hispanic Christian: Democrats believe in abortion on demand; we believe that the life God gave us is sacred. What do you believe? Vote for life, vote Republican!”

There is a simple formula we MUST internalize:
One(1) Racist Comment + MSM Megaphone = Lost Votes

All it takes is one racist comment. It sucks, but it’s the truth. You and I both know 99.9999% of conservatives are not racist at all, but we also know that the MSM will always distort the conservative message. Handing the MSM the ammunition with which to do so is foolish. Self-restraint in public rhetoric, coupled with forceful and visible repudiation of those rare racist comments coming from within our own ranks, is the wisest strategy.


29 posted on 11/26/2008 9:19:47 AM PST by ForeignDude
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30 posted on 11/26/2008 9:42:07 AM PST by TADSLOS (McCain Courted Socialism and Brought Us Marxism Instead)
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Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a leftist pro-illegal hack who puts his ethnic loyalty above any sense of patriotism to America. Why is Pajama’s Media running this obvious enemy propoganda?


31 posted on 11/26/2008 9:44:18 AM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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