Russian Scholar Predicts Economic Crisis Will Rip America Apart (Barf alert)

Fox News ^ | 11-25-08

[aggie21]

A Russian scholar is predicting that the United States' current financial crisis will lead to the breakup of the country.

Igor Panarin, a professor at the diplomatic academy of Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told the newspaper Izvestia on Monday that America will break apart into six regions following the crisis.

"Dissatisfaction is growing, and it is only being held back at the moment by the elections, and the hope that [President-elect] Obama can work miracles," according to a translation by Bloomberg. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

[bronxboy]

You can not be serious. No state will secede. Do you guys think this is 1860? Give me a break. Listen, how about we win the next election-might be easier than secession.

[B4Ranch]

>I don’t think that this nation will fall either but it is not impossible.<

What do you call it when 52% of the people vote to elect a Communist? Is that re-enforcement of the constitutional principles? Not from where I’m sitting, it isn’t. Socialism in America is growing as fast as bacteria does in an outhouse on a hot summer day.

[B4Ranch]

>A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.<

Bailouts qualify, I presume. Bailouts for failing businesses, foreclosures, and any other idea we can convince Congress of. We have hit the mark and found the key to the public treasury.

[volslover]

Okay, I will bite or bark despite looking stupid, what is “Agenda 21”? It sounds like the UFO thing in the West Area 55 or something. Maybe stupid but I am not afraid to ask questions

[RightWhale]

Does this count as another opinion each time it is posted?

[B4Ranch]

Agenda 21 - a global agenda for transition to sustainability in the 21ast cenury , agreed to at the 1992 Earth Summit (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro

Rather than me giving you a tiny brief, why not take a gander in Google. They aren’t hurting for info.

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,270,000 for “Agenda 21”.

[Calpernia]

The region maps are already published. I will post one after my conference call.

[Calpernia]

And the EPA partnered with the UN and adopted Agenda 21 during the years of Clinton. Remember, Clinton also granted the EPA Executive Powers.

EPA has been granted Executive Powers.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+42USC7603
Environmental Emergency Powers:

Excerpt:

the Administrator, upon receipt of evidence that a pollution source or combination of sources (including moving sources) is presenting an imminent and substantial endangerment to public health or welfare, or the environment, may bring suit on behalf of the United States in the appropriate United States district court to immediately restrain any person causing or contributing to the alleged pollution to stop the emission of air pollutants causing or contributing to such pollution or to take such other action as may be necessary.

/excerpt

The EPA is partnered with the UN.

http://iaspub.epa.gov/trs/trs_proc_qry.navigate_term?p_term_id=29682&p_term_cd=TERMDIS

EPA.gov

Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, is a comprehensive programme of action to be achieved by governments, development agencies, United Nations organizations and independent sector groups in every area where human activity affects the environment. Agenda 21 was adopted by the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, the Earth Summit. Agenda 21 is the response to the UN General Assembly's call, in December 1989, for a global meeting to devise strategies to halt and reverse the effects of environment degradation "in the context of increased national and international efforts to promote sustainable and environmentally sound development in all countries"

http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

UN.org

Agenda 21

NATURAL RESOURCE ASPECTS OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

* Agriculture
* Atmosphere
* Biodiversity
* Desertification and Drought
* Energy
* Forests
* Freshwater
* Land Management
* Mountains
* Oceans and Coastal Areas
* Toxic Chemicals
* Waste and Hazardous Materials

[Calpernia]

ping

[Calpernia]

See my post for a hard link to Agenda 21.

[RinaseaofDs]

I agree with you, but I think you’d see interior states getting together with states with either river or coastal access and forming nations.

I think the cities would be in big trouble. Nothing left to hold them up - they’d collapse quickly.

We’d start as 50 states, but we would end up in regional states at some point.

I think the professor has a point, that a break up is possible if the financial system breaks down. I think it’s likely. I also think that it would collapse if they hit DC in a catastrophic way.

We are VERY much a red and blue country now, and the red have had it with the blue. It may appear to be vice-versa, but it’s the red that support the blue. Seattle, for example, is such a resource drain on the rest of WA state that it’s not even a close per capita expenditure comparison.

Any place where state or federal government is the major employer, and there’s a lack of farming/manufacturing know-how - they are going to suffer big initially.

I guess the refreshing part is that environmental fascism will be dead for good, since the entire world will have fallen a few pegs down on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Colorado would be an excellent state to be in, with their coal and uranium. Montana and Wyoming - oil and oil shale.

For all the stretching and pulling they’ve done on the 10th Amendment, all it will take is a government default or 10 city blocks of DC to disappear and we’d be lucky to have had founders with the foresight to see that the nation ought to be a collection of sovereign states.

Alliances would form quickly, I would think. It may even look a lot like the NCAA conferences or IRS regions.

One thing would be fairly certain, however, and that would be a commitment to some sort of continental defense strategy in the short term.

[B4Ranch]

Calpernia posted the regional chart the Russian was talking about.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2138523/posts?page=28#28

[B4Ranch]

Have you forgotten about the United Nations? They are behind all this and they will not allow it to progress too fast or too slow.

[RinaseaofDs]

UN would collapse pretty quickly too. US funds more than 25% of it, and we make up the bulk of it’s military infrastructure, outside of troop contributions.

In fact, I’m not so sure I’d want to be in that building if the National Government failed. It’s a nest of vipers and a den of spies.

[B4Ranch]

0bama will seriously try get the LOST treaty passed and then the UN will NEVER be short of cash.

[Alas Babylon!]

Alliances would form quickly, I would think. It may even look a lot like the NCAA conferences or IRS regions.

Great! I'm smack dab in the middle of the SEC Nation!

[The Duke]

Yep, I think you’ve thought it through perfectly. I’m not certain that this crisis will result in a dissolution, but it all does seem very serious these days.

[durasell]

Actually, you have it backwards. In general, it’s the blue states that support the red via taxes and gubmint spending. The Tax Foundation has done a detailed study of this.

[oldenuff2no]

I didn’t say that I think it will happen but Texas can legally secede from the USA. it is part of the agreement that was signed and stipulated when Texas became a state. If you want to piss off a Texan try and take away their guns.

[oldenuff2no]

But it is the red states who have the vast majority of natural resources. Most power lines at least cross the red parts of this country. The water our cities drink also transverses the red states and counties. The food the cities need to survive does not originate in blue areas either. All the folks in the red areas have to do is interrupt these commodities, blockade the city folks in and sit back and wait.
In a serious altercation the blue areas of this nation would be SOL in about 4 days. Can you imagine what life would be like after only a few days with no food, water, power, and sewer in San Francisco, Los Angles, or NYC????? The vast majority of the citizens in those red areas are also well armed. Things would not go well for the socialists in the blue cities.