Posted on 11/25/2008 10:22:41 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
A team of Princeton University scientists has discovered that chains of proteins found in most living organisms act like adaptive machines, possessing the ability to control their own evolution.
The scientists do not know how the cellular machinery guiding this process may have originated, but they emphatically said it does not buttress the case for intelligent design, a controversial notion that posits the existence of a creator responsible for complexity in nature...
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How about not attributable to hidden variables?
No, he's not. I have provided specific examples of the logical fallacies and non sequiturs when they were used. People who refuse to acknowledge that they rationalize their beliefs with fallacy and non sequitur and repeat those fallacies after they have been pointed out are either dishonest or are not able to think critically.
I'm being generous and giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point.
You misquoted me and are now trying to pretend you didn't. I call that lying. Deal with what I said.
And let me reiterate...I don't know why you keep trying to limit the discussion to DNA when you know the totality of what makes organisms similar and different is much more complex than DNA. That would be like only using bricks to compare the similarity and differences between two houses.
The data is there. I am not “limiting” the argument to DNA, I am pointing out that your ‘similar body plan, similar lifestyle = similar DNA’ so called explanation for ERV data breaks down as soon as you look at the data in detail.
For example based upon body plan one might think a wolf and a huskie have more in common in DNA than a huskie and a dachshund, but based upon common ancestry one would predict correctly that the huskie and the dachshund are more similar in DNA despite their different body shapes, fur type, etc.
My mind is just fine over here GGG, it is you who never did understand what the ERV data shows. This has been known for over a decade, and I have explained it to you myself repeatedly. You are only now catching on. Wow!
Natural selection is not worshipped. That's silly. It's like saying physicists worship gravity because they keep talking about how it accounts for the gross characteristics of the cosmos.
The only people that make silly statements about worshipping natural selection are creationists who want to try to equalize their thought processes with science.
No. It's the answer to the question I was answering.
It is not a "demigod". It's an explanation. It's a fact. Nothing gets relegated to demigod status because you don't like it.
Well, yes. But that does not negate causality. It merely states that determinism is in trouble. Without causality science would not be science.
At what point did you define what you meant by "naturalism"? Can you point me to that?
True, but the nature of causality can be investigated. It ain't necessarily axiomatic or intuitive.
My point is not that I know how existence came to be, or that science does, but that no one does. Asserting that a specific entity, by definition, requires no beginning is just an intellectual tantrum. It's equivalent to holding your breath until your parents give in to your demands.
No it isn't. It is a philosophical "answer" to a problem which by definition science cannot answer.
It involves an infinite regress terminated by an ad hoc assertion. A pretty flimsy philosophy.
So what is your answer? Bear in mind that the question has challenged minds vastly superior to yours or mine.
I gave my answer in post 211. Are you asserting that because a philosophical conundrum exists that someone necessarily has the solution?
That was no answer. That was a punt.
"A" solution, yes. "The" solution no. My belief is that it is "the" solution. You believe whatever you believe. Just don't try to pawn it off under the guise of science.
They own the issue. They have devoted a decade and more to promoting ID, they have become its largest, most visible, and most voluble supporter. You're stuck with them.
What they've done is played on the fears of the "Natural Selection" worshippers and dragged in the prospect of "God's Gonna' Get You", and there you have it.
"Natural Selection worshippers?" What nonsense. You've been hanging around GGG and tpanther too much. I thought you had more class and erudition than to fall into the silly name calling that they resorted to when they ran out of arguments.
You are welcome to define yourself as knowledgeable about ultimate reality. If it gives you comfort.
Thank you for your permission to think.
It's not an answer. An answer is true. It's a supposition, a fantasy, a guess. If it isn't possible to know, then it isn't possible to know.
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