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1 posted on 11/23/2008 5:41:57 AM PST by CE2949BB
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To: CE2949BB
Air cover.

Get the fighters out there and aggressively blow these pirates out of the water.

2 posted on 11/23/2008 5:43:40 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: CE2949BB

The piracy case in Somalia is a perfect example of victim disarmament at sea. Most merchant ships are forbidden by their countries’ laws from having weapons on board (a ban which is enforced by rigorous inspections), which leaves a 20.000tn ship worth hundreds of million of dollars vulnerable to a pirate dinghy with a crew of five armed with AKs and RPGs worth a few hundred bucks. So do we allow owners to spend a few thousand dollars on weapons and private security on board? God forbid! No, much better to send a carrier group, or just nuke the high seas.
At present the war navies of India, Russia, Britain, the US, Malasya and a NATO taskforce are in the Gulf of Aden playing cat-and-mouse with a few Somali pirates. An EU fleet is on its way.


3 posted on 11/23/2008 5:46:43 AM PST by all the best
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I am happy that this guy stopped piracy, I hope this is not an isolated incident. If a ship like I used to belong to catches these guys in the act, they are let off far far too easy. It’s better that other nations catch these guys, for obvious reasons. Go Indian Navy, and good on youall.


7 posted on 11/23/2008 5:55:34 AM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: CE2949BB
Unsurprisingly, the patriotic Indian media dutifully expressed its gratitude and confidence once again in the armed forces.

Back in the day, OUR U.S. media would have done the same thing.

Now, the traitorous bastards hope for the defeat of our military, and help ensure un-American Socialist factions are installed in our government "by any means necessary" (the Malcolm X method).

This story was written by a left-wing turd "reporter" who thinks the corrupt, inept UN should run the world.

If we only had the requisite number of America-FIRST leaders with balls, we'd send the UN packing.

10 posted on 11/23/2008 6:15:11 AM PST by DocH (Hussein Obama: Leader of an America-Hating Socialist /Black Nationalist Sleeper Cell)
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“Stuhldreher suggested, “Making the coastal areas lucrative for local fishermen again could encourage pirates to return to legitimate livelihoods.”

....oh boy!....here it comes....an international “program” of aid to attack the “root causes” of piracy.

......the answer to this problem is very simple: arm the vessels and shoot the pirates dead.


12 posted on 11/23/2008 6:20:34 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: CE2949BB; Concho

Below is a pretty decent “big picture” story from AFP this morning.

Several quotes from both the “pirates” and the Islamists who are allegedly threatening them, and the story makes it clear that both groups are actually Islamists.

“We have nothing against [the Saudis, who own Sirius Star] but unfortunately what happened was just business for us and I hope the Saudis will understand,” the pirate said.

Yeah, I’m sure they’ll understand.

Here’s the story in the entirety:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g6tZefjHoEovf93h6A5eDRsog1EQ

Tension mounts in Somali pirate lair as ransom clock ticks

3 hours ago

MOGADISHU (AFP) — Tension mounted Sunday between pirates holding a Saudi tanker and Islamist fighters threatening to attack them, with a week remaining for the ship’s owners to meet a 25-million-dollar ransom demand.

“If the pirates want peace, they had better release the tanker,” Sheikh Ahmed, a spokesman for the Shebab group in the coastal region of Harardhere, told AFP by phone.

The Sirius Star, a huge tanker carrying around 100 million dollars worth of crude oil and owned by Saudi Aramco, was hijacked in the space of 16 minutes by Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean on November 15.

Pirates have since anchored it off their base in Harardhere, north of Mogadishu, and demanded the ransom be paid by November 30.

The Shebab (youth) armed group, which controls much of southern and central Somalia and rejects an internationally-backed peace process, has positioned fighters in and around Harardhere in recent days.

Islamist leaders have stressed that piracy is a capital offence under Islam and officially condemned the surge in acts of piracy in Somalia’s waters, which has begun to disrupt international trade.

A member of the pirate group holding the Sirius Star retorted that his own men were not afraid of the Shebab’s threats.

“We are the Shebab of the sea and we can’t be scared by the Shebab of the land,” Mohamed Said told AFP. “If anybody attempts to attack, that would be suicide.”

Said announced to AFP on Thursday that his group was demanding 25 million dollars to release the vessel, which is carrying the equivalent of almost a quarter of top producer Saudi Arabia’s daily output.

“I am not on the tanker at the moment because I am coordinating what is happening on the ground,” he said. “There is a small Shebab vanguard on the ground but we also have a strong presence.

“Every Somali has great respect for the holy kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We have nothing against them but unfortunately what happened was just business for us and I hope the Saudis will understand,” the pirate said.

Some residents in Harardhere have argued however that the Shebab are divided over the issue of piracy and that some of the Islamist fighters have moved into the region only to claim a share of the ransom.

Members of the pirate group told AFP on Saturday that talks were underway with Saudi Aramco’s shipping arm and assured that the crew would not be harmed but added that no breakthrough had yet been achieved.

Yet he warned against any plan by Saudi Arabia or foreign navies patrolling the region to free the ship by force.

“I hope the owner of the tanker is wise enough and won’t allow any military option because that would be disastrous for everybody. We are here to defend the tanker if attacked,” Abdiyare Moalim said.

The capture of the Sirius Star, the biggest ship ever hijacked, and its oil cargo, has sowed panic in the shipping world, with companies now re-routing deliveries via the Cape of Good Hope, around the tip of South Africa, adding substantial time and transit costs.

With close to 100 attacks on ships in the Gulf of Aden and Indian Ocean this year, the pirates are threatening to choke one of the world’s busiest maritime trade routes.

World leaders have condemned the surge in piracy and rushed extra navy ships to Somalia’s waters in bid to curb the attacks.

But the international community and the shipping industry alike have acknowledged that the problem could never be completely resolved without an improvement of the situation inside Somalia.

The transitional government in Somalia is on its last legs and is incapable of reining in the pirates and offering alternative sources of income to the communities supporting the coastal ransom-hunters.

Pirates operating from Somalia have reinvested significant amounts from their ransoms into improving their equipment.

They currently hold at least 17 ships, including a Ukrainian cargo carrying 33 combat tanks destined for South Sudan.


13 posted on 11/23/2008 6:22:50 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: CE2949BB

Don’cha just love Indians? The man wanders over the history of the world and pinpoints W as the problem.

It’s Bush’s fault


15 posted on 11/23/2008 6:28:34 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of waferin)
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The barely functioning government of Somalia is unable to curb the pirates who sail from its ports and seize cargo ships that ply past.

The "barely functioning government of Somalia" can have two choices: outsource curbing the pirates to various entities (I'm sure that the Indian Navy and others would take the contract for a dollar per year), or allow the rest of the world to declare war on Somalia, declare the pirates to be hostile Somali warships, and sink them on sight.

16 posted on 11/23/2008 6:30:16 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: CE2949BB; STONEWALLS; DocH; Concho; all the best; ChetNavVet; DariusBane; ThirdMate; omega4179

It’s truly pathetic that the Saudis (and others) can’t seem to find a half-million $$$ or so (to hire say a maritime Blackwater team) to defend their ships from these savages, and that all the naval power amassed off Somalia can’t seem to stop them.

Some entity should just storm these vessels, kill every single one of the Islamist pirates, and set an example for the growing numbers of potential pirates.

>>>>”They currently hold at least 17 ships, including a Ukrainian cargo carrying 33 combat tanks destined for South Sudan.”<<<<<<


18 posted on 11/23/2008 6:34:32 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: CE2949BB
Article 1
Section 8: The Congress shall have power

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To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

Put the free market to work.
23 posted on 11/23/2008 6:53:22 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: CE2949BB

Top 10 ways to stop piracy.

And 1. Send President onshore to establish highly lucrative pomegranate and juju bead trade.


26 posted on 11/23/2008 7:07:48 AM PST by kinghorse (Spread manure for 4 years? Why not. The stench will keep me from noticing things that stink.)
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To: CE2949BB
This whole situation off the HOF is a great illustration of how un-serious much of the world has become. These two-bit thugs could be dealt with in short order, in no uncertain terms (to in which 90% of this piracy actions would come to a complete halt) yet much of the world wants to bow to these complete thug-fools and let things continue. Dare we provoke or position ones self in a light of strength.

BW will be making new fortunes I predict. More power to them.

27 posted on 11/23/2008 7:07:55 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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I still maintain that one of those merchant ships entering harbor with it’s yardarm decorated with a few bad guys swinging to and fro would have a salutary effect on the situation.

A nice flourish would be that the hangees were wrapped in pigskins.


31 posted on 11/23/2008 9:38:35 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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There are some saying that the PLAN (Chinese navy) is sending ships there, and that Iran may even be invited to help out.


32 posted on 11/23/2008 2:29:59 PM PST by Thunder90
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