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"President-elect Barack Obama will not make America completely socialist: -- now don't you just find this sooo comforting?!
1 posted on 11/22/2008 7:31:23 PM PST by FocusNexus
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What does this twit mean; we have nothing to fear? What bs.


2 posted on 11/22/2008 7:33:23 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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This is why women shouldn’t be a allowed to vote.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 7:33:58 PM PST by MartinStyles
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Well now it can be openly admitted by the left that “some socialism is good”. That didn’t take long, to go from a republic to a socialist state. We’ve only existed as a nation for some over two hundred years. If they’re already
admitting to some, they must think full-fledged socialism is now acceptable to
a majority of voters. Once amnesty is granted, it’s all over with.


4 posted on 11/22/2008 7:36:17 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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See my tagline.


5 posted on 11/22/2008 7:38:09 PM PST by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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Just what I wanted an elitist whos never had to live in the real world telling me about how grat socialism is. I know enough to know that those on the bottom will be rewarded while those of us who have earned something will be expected to pay for it. What a moron!


6 posted on 11/22/2008 7:38:48 PM PST by chris_bdba
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“Socialism contends that capitalist societies unjustly concentrate wealth and power within a small group...”

And, there can be no valid conclusion out of an argument that starts on such a flawed premise...

It is the very success so decried by the socialists that creates the OPPORTUNITIES for individuals to be EQUALLY as successful.

Socialism appeals to the lowest common denominator across the spectrum of society. It punishes success, and rewards mediocrity (at best), while encouraging acquiescence in governmental control of not only the means of production but the entire support structure of the broader community.

No...socialism is not a proper model of government of free people. The only equality requiring government support is equality of opportunity. Any and all attempts to assure equality of outcome are affronts to freedom.


7 posted on 11/22/2008 7:39:09 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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We are the only industrialized nation not to guarantee healthcare to its citizens.

Those nations don't guarantee healthcare, they promise healthcare. More often than not, those promises are broken.

9 posted on 11/22/2008 7:40:31 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Not Scrappleface? Seriously?


10 posted on 11/22/2008 7:41:03 PM PST by Sans-Culotte
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This guy is an idiot. Police and Fire departments are an example of socialism??? Where’s the ownership of “production” there. They provide protection for the community that the community pays for. It isn't about taking from one group and giving to another...
11 posted on 11/22/2008 7:42:58 PM PST by DB
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Socialism contends that capitalist societies unjustly concentrate wealth and power within a small group;

Which is why socialist governments correct this "defect" by concentrating wealth and power among an even smaller group - socialist government functionaries.

14 posted on 11/22/2008 7:48:39 PM PST by TimSkalaBim
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Socialism is a social organization in which the government owns and operates the means of production.

Yeah and it worked well in the USSR.
16 posted on 11/22/2008 7:55:03 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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First, let me wipe the puke off my keyboard. Ok... now: police and fire personnel would be surprised to learn they are part of the vast left wing socialist movement.

This is the most pathetic attempt to sugar coat a failed ideology I've seen in a long time. But... thanks to the NEA and the local public schools, 57% of Americans will soon agree. Better to be a slave with a hot bowl of gruel than a starving freeman.

17 posted on 11/22/2008 7:55:18 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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First, read up on the French Revolution.

Second, fear the National Razor. When conservatives regain power...

19 posted on 11/22/2008 7:57:24 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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That’s why I don’t donate to my Alma mater.


20 posted on 11/22/2008 7:58:49 PM PST by MarkeyD (11-4-08 For the first time I can say I am ashamed of my country.)
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Academics are clueless.

In the history of this nation, we have come close to social medicine every 20 or 30 years or so since the turn of the 20th century. To simplify in the extreme, each time, it was ultimately rejected by PHYSICIANS who did not want to be “government employees”.

This is to say nothing of nearly everyone else, who didn’t want to be treated by government employees.

Nationalizing healthcare would restructure the nation in a profound way. It would eventually wipe out the US edge in healthcare technology.

It is ironic that most of the mess which is healthcare was ultimately created by the 50% which is currently fully paid for by the US government, and the ease with with just about everyone in the provider community routinely twists every drop from slow to change government payment systems.


22 posted on 11/22/2008 8:03:21 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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But then where are the Saudis going to go for their healthcare?

Saudi royals’ Mayo Clinic trip buoys local economy

Members of Saudi Arabia’s royal family spent enough during a visit to the Mayo Clinic to give the area’s economy a shot in the arm, according to Rochester, Minnesota, officials.

Rochester officials say Saudi Arabian King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz arrived on November 15 for a checkup at the Mayo Clinic and was accompanied by at least five princes and hundreds of others.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/22/saudis.mayo.clinic.ap/index.html


23 posted on 11/22/2008 8:04:13 PM PST by anonsquared
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Once upon a time, in America communism was a bad thing and had to be stopped at all costs.

Guess it just took a half a century to have it installed.


24 posted on 11/22/2008 8:04:38 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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Socialism contends that capitalist societies unjustly concentrate wealth and power within a small group; thus, socialism is an attempt to create a more equal society to live in.

Wealth is concentrated in the hands of people who work for it and succeed and who pass it also on to their children. Socialism steals it and gives it to deadbeats. Socialism is legalized mugging

The biggest socialist institution America needs is universal health care. We are the only industrialized nation not to guarantee health care to its citizens.

It is illegal to deny anyone health care and services, even illegals, we already do this. Not everyone has health insurance which is not the same thing. Transportation is not the same thing as auto insurance.

The article is a pile of deceits and falsehoods

26 posted on 11/22/2008 8:13:18 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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I can see she’s taken lots, and lots of econ classes....

Fire departments and police forces are not “socialist.” Merely being provided by the government does not make a particular good or service a “socialist” enterprise. Law enforcement, fire fighting, light houses, basic education, these things are “natural monopolies” and/or public goods, which she would know if she bothered studying economics at all. No free market economist, from Adam Smith to Milton Friedman has ever suggested that the government the government not be involved in these things, though there is always disagreement over the extent to which the government should be involved.

Should it teach reading, writing, and basic math? Yes. Should it teach shop and dance? I, for one, say no. Vocational training is a private good and thus best provided by the market.

Her entire argument begins with this flawed reasoning, and then rests the rest of its argument on two precepts: that everyone else is doing it, and health care costs so dang much.

Firstly, it doesn’t matter whether everyone else is doing it. That is neither an argument for or against our nation doing it. It is merely a fact, with no intrinsic destination.

Second, health care *is* very expensive, but oddly enough I never hear left-wingers take a single step towards actually making health care provider costs lower. Rather, they want this cost shifted to the tax-payers, which of course means a minority will be subsidizing the health care costs of the majority.

This is a typical, blind look at American health care, which is half-socialized already. There are various programs providing various levels of tax-payer-subsidized care at the federal, state, county, and city levels all across this country. It’s not just medicare and medicaid. The primary effect these programs have on non-subsidized private individuals using either insurance or paying out of pocket is that prices FOR THEM will rise, because the lower prices the government pays squeeze out the profits of the “non-profit” and for-profit providers. This effect happens in any industry in which the government is a major customer.

That’s to say nothing of HEAVY regulations, arcane licensing restrictions (which differ from state to state), or the negative sides of socialized care (rationing, waiting lists, drastically lower quality, lack of choice, etc.).


27 posted on 11/22/2008 8:18:47 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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The biggest socialist institution America needs is universal healthcare.

The VA healthcare system in the U.S. is socialized medicine. If anyone is happy with the conditions, quality of care, bureaucratic red tape and availability of drugs under the system that is what we'll get nationwide or worse.

I know vets who refuse to use the system. I've worked there. I wouldn't either.

29 posted on 11/22/2008 8:19:25 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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