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How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism [Obamacare: make us dependent, then how to shrink gov't?]
US News & World Report ^ | November 21, 2008 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 11/21/2008 4:15:41 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

The GOP strategist had been joking about the upcoming presidential election and giving his humorous assessments of the candidates. Then he suddenly cut out the schtick and got scary serious. "Let me tell you something, if Democrats take the White House and pass a big-government healthcare plan, that's it. Game over. Government will dominate the economy like it does in Europe. Conservatives will spend the rest of their lives trying to turn things around and they will fail."

And it turns out that the fearsome harbinger of free-market doom is the mild-mannered ex-U.S. senator with the little, red glasses, Tom Daschle. He'll be the guy shepherding President Barack Obama's healthcare plan through Congress via his probable role as secretary of health and human services. At the core of Daschle's thinking on the subject is the creation of a "Federal Health Board that would resemble our current Federal Reserve Board" and ensure "harmonization across public programs of health-care protocols, benefits, and transparency." (Forget secretary of state, Hillary Clinton should shoot for chairman of Fed Health and run one seventh of the U.S. economy.) And the subject of that "harmonization" would be a $100 billion to $150 billion a year plan that would let individuals (and small businesses) buy insurance from private companies or from a government plan.

Daschle and the Obamacrats certainly have the momentum: a near-landslide presidential election victory, at least 58 Democratic votes in the Senate, and a nasty recession that will make many Americans yearn for economic security. Already the health insurance companies seem set back on their heels. The industry's trade organization now says it would accept new rules requiring them to cover pre-existing conditions as long as there was a universal mandate for all Americans to have health insurance. On top of all that, Obama clearly wants to make healthcare reform a priority in his first term, as evidenced by the selection of a heavy hitter like Daschle. And even if he wasn't interested, Congress sure is, with Max Baucus and Ted Kennedy readying a plan in the Senate. A few observations:

1) Passage would be a political gamechanger. Recently, I stumbled across this analysis of how nationalized healthcare in Great Britain affected the political environment there. As Norman Markowitz in Political Affairs, a journal of "Marxist thought," puts it: "After the Labor Party established the National Health Service after World War II, supposedly conservative workers and low-income people under religious and other influences who tended to support the Conservatives were much more likely to vote for the Labor Party when health care, social welfare, education and pro-working class policies were enacted by labor-supported governments."

Passing Obamacare would be like performing exactly the opposite function of turning people into investors. Whereas the Investor Class is more conservative than the rest of America, creating the Obamacare Class would pull America to the left. Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute, who first found that wonderful Markowitz quote, puts it succinctly in a recent blog post: "Blocking Obama's health plan is key to the GOP's survival."

2) Shrinking government would get exponentially tougher. Republicans would face the same problem with healthcare that they currently do with Social Security, persuading people to trade one in the hand (the current system) for two in the bush (a reformed system). And we see how well that has worked out. Combine Obamacare with plans to take away the tax-advantaged status of 401(k) plans and IRAs and you would end up with government responsible for both healthcare and retirement. The big-government constituency would grow and deepen. And remember that fewer and fewer people are paying the incomes taxes that would help pay for increased government services. That breakage of the linkage between taxes and government "benefits" creates toxic incentives for more of both -- and an economy more shackled than ever by taxes, debt, and regulation.

3) Republicans better learn to competently talk healthcare. John McCain's healthcare plan was perhaps the most provocative policy proposal of the entire 2008 campaign. Too bad he could neither fully explain how it worked nor persuasively argue why it was better than Barack Obama's plan. Also too bad since his plan would have smartly reduced healthcare costs by getting companies out of the healthcare benefits business and empowering individuals to buy insurance on their own. This would have helped fix what economist Arnold Kling calls the insurance vs. insulation problem: :Insulation relieves the patient of the stress of making decisions about treatment. The patient also does not have to worry about shopping around for the best price. The problem with insulation is that it is not a sustainable form of healthcare finance."

Another interesting healthcare reform option is highlighted by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam in the book Grand New Party. Uncle Sam would require individuals and families to put 15 percent of their income into health savings accounts. If you run out of money before year-end, the government steps in. If you don't, you get the money back or it rolls over into a retirement account. Of course, any conservative alternative would be easier to implement if it doesn't first have to kill an existing nationalized health plan. But thanks to Tom Daschle, that is just what might have to happen.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2takeyourliberty; 4thecommongood; bho2008; bhohhs; daschle; dependency; healthcare; healthinsurance; obamacare; obamaregime; obamatransitionfile; rapeofliberty; socializedmedicine
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To: spatso

I have several Canadian friends who have explained their Medical shuffle. They travel back to Canada for the expensive stuff, if it’s not life threatening, or requiring high levels of quality/skill. For all the important stuff, they use US sources. That goes for drugs too.


21 posted on 11/21/2008 5:42:39 PM PST by catbertz
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To: spatso
Uh, let's think about this. They are Canadian citizens and don't qualify for Medicare. Yeah, it's gonna be expensive for them because they didn't pay into the system, but by their residence they choose to let the superior US system care for them. So if they really get sick, they stiff FLA for their complex medical care and run back to Canada for their cheap drugs. This is a group of moochers we don't need. They didn't pay into the US system, so why should we give them care without their paying for it?

BTW, I'm sure we can get some one-way bus tickets for them to go back and stay back in Canada.

22 posted on 11/21/2008 5:48:56 PM PST by philomath (from the state of Franklin)
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To: catbertz

“For all the important stuff, they use US sources. That goes for drugs too.”

That is typical of the misinformation. You suggest they go Canada for the expensive stuff but they use US services for the more important stuff. I would suggest the more important that it is, the more expensive it is. There is an inherent contradiction in your statement.


23 posted on 11/21/2008 5:52:14 PM PST by spatso
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To: spatso

You are right in this respect: If we were really good at delivering ultra-high quality at a competitive price, there would be no question as to where to go for care. Both systems have their strengths and flaws, and some of our flaws are bloated cost and exclusion of some from the routine care which would prevent the catastrophies for which they present to the ER (and are cared for regardless of ability to pay).


24 posted on 11/21/2008 5:58:15 PM PST by philomath (from the state of Franklin)
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To: philomath

You may be stunned to discover that there are many Canadians married to Americans and vice versa who are in the position of being able to choose which system they want to function under.

The point that I was trying to make is that we don’t listen to Canadians about their opinion of their health care system. The point is they love their system and prefer it far greater to the US system. You may not like their opinion but it is time to start looking at it because it is going to be hyped by the media and by the incoming Congress.


25 posted on 11/21/2008 5:59:49 PM PST by spatso
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To: philomath

I think you are exactly on target. The US spends far more per capita on health care than any other country. Yet life expectancy in the US trails Canada and all of the other countries with national health care. A key statistic is fatalities among infants and the US does very poorly in comparison with other industrialized countries.


26 posted on 11/21/2008 6:06:13 PM PST by spatso
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To: Mike Fieschko

That would (could) work if socialized medicine actually worked..which it doesn’t so it’s not goint kill...!


27 posted on 11/21/2008 6:15:39 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: spatso

We need to do better with our infant mortality stats to see which are due to maternal neglect (crack, opiates, alcohol, etc) and lack of concern with access to the system vs poor access to the sytem, incomplete evaluation and delivery of service, and just plain incompetence. How much our attitudes toward addiction and marginalization of addicts contributes to the figures is unknown. Hard statistical nut to crack and thus hard to know where to aim (better services, better access, education for the public and providers)


28 posted on 11/21/2008 6:21:33 PM PST by philomath (from the state of Franklin)
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To: philomath

I had not thought of the neglect factor.


29 posted on 11/21/2008 6:33:23 PM PST by spatso
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To: spatso

I talked to several the Canadians who came down for joint replacements and heart caths that they had to wait forever for in Canada. To the last person, they seemed to enjoy the U.S. medical system.


30 posted on 11/21/2008 6:43:06 PM PST by Ghengis (Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life)
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To: Ghengis

But do you not realize how bizarre that situation has become. There are some high demand areas where the Canadian system may allows people to get medical care in the US and they will pay for it. On the other hand, some Americans who might need the same surgery are denied it because they do not have the necessary insurance coverage. Do you not think this is unjust?


31 posted on 11/21/2008 6:51:38 PM PST by spatso
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What are Daschle’s qualifications for this job?


32 posted on 11/21/2008 6:57:35 PM PST by virgil
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To: Mike Fieschko

Obamacare will lead to healthcare mediocrity. We’ll have to travel to Japan to get anything advanced. Welcome to average.


33 posted on 11/21/2008 7:08:04 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: spatso

I have never seen anyone denied necessary medical treatment due to an inability to pay. I worked in hospitals for about 15 years. Granted, I have been out of that arena for about 8 years.


34 posted on 11/21/2008 7:38:25 PM PST by Ghengis (Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life)
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To: virgil

Well, he’s a Washington insider and his wife is a lobbyist for Boeing.


35 posted on 11/21/2008 7:40:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Tom Daschle? Kill Conservatism? Excuse me, but, I thought the inept, BIG-SPENDING, corruption-mongering, child molesting, bathroom-cruising faggot GOP Congressmen and Senators have been doing a pretty good job at that in the past 4 years already.

The GOP doesn't need any help, killing Conservatism, from the Democrats.
36 posted on 11/21/2008 9:19:39 PM PST by no dems (George W. Bush: America's last White President. ACORN will see to it.)
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To: Ghengis

I think the key point I am trying to make is the need to prepare for a dramatic shift in talking points. Much of the language on health care has been about how great the US system works in relation to the rest of the world, especially those countries that have single payer systems. Watch for survey after survey to be tabled showing how unhappy Americans are with the US system. On the other hand, watch for the corresponding surveys indicating that people in other countries much prefer their systems to the US system.

My issue is more pragmatic. Every industrial competitor of the US embeds the cost of health care within the general revenues of the government. It is not placed on the marketplace. So, US industry operates at a tremendous disadvantage to its international competitors.


37 posted on 11/22/2008 2:49:28 AM PST by spatso
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38 posted on 11/23/2008 7:26:36 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Mike Fieschko; socialismisinsidious; bamahead
There is a "conservative" alternative to the disaster of complete government control of health care, and that is (to put it briefly) tax-advantaged health savings accounts combined with high deductible (catastrophic) medical insurance, and it is already available - but only in states that allow high deductible health plans. In fact, millions already have this type of coverage. Problem is that high deductible health plans are illegal in many states (because of mandated coverages), and insurance policies can't be written across state lines.

McCain's plan contained some good ideas, but lost out in the campaign to Obama's lying counterattack. Unfortunately, free market solutions in medicine seem too much for the dumbed down Obama electorate to comprehend.

39 posted on 11/23/2008 9:33:11 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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That breakage of the linkage between taxes and government "benefits" creates toxic incentives for more of both -- and an economy more shackled than ever by taxes, debt, and regulation.



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40 posted on 11/23/2008 3:04:30 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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