Obama's state secret: His birth certificate!

WND ^ | 11/21/08 | Joe Farah

[calenel]

You know, I am possibly the last Freeper in the world to accuse somebody of being a troll, but you are testing my restraint. You continue to shill for Obama and adamantly refuse to acknowledge any evidence contrary to your position no matter how many times it is presented. For example you claim that a Birth Certificate has been produced when no such document has. What was briefly posted on the Obama campaign site was a Certificate of Live Birth; a document that can be had for a child born anywhere, and even that is alleged to be fraudulent (where is BuckHead when you need him?) The reason no other candidate has been asked to show this document (EXCEPT JOHN MCCAIN) is because there has never been a dispute as to the birth status of a Presidential candidate with conflicting statements from credible persons (paternal grandmother, among others) claiming to have witnessed the birth. If we are to believe that the organs of the state responsible for qualifying candidates are doing their jobs, then how did the idiot Nicarauguan socialist get on the ballot in 10 states (with additional states not putting him on their ballot, so some are doing their jobs). If it isn't important then why not simply produce the stinkin' document?

"Keyes never even asked."

Keyes shouldn't have to ask, the question should already have been resolved. But he has a law suit going in CA, so he is asking in a way. Numerous people have asked and been refused.

"Obama asked the sos in HI for a copy of his birth certificate to have ‘independently’ analyzed and posted."

Can you provide a citation for this? Because it is, oh what was your wording, "categorically false." He could have just instructed the SoS to release it, but instead it was the aforementioned COLB that was presented.

"Add to that not a single qualified person has been refused when asked to see documentation and this is rendered worse that pointless."

Can you cite a single example? Define "qualified" for us, if you please.

It is never destructive or a waste of time to defend the Constitution. If Obama is not qualified then allowing him to steal the Presidency undermines our Constitution and the Rule of Law. Then where are the rest of our Constitutionally protected Rights?

[calenel]

There is a scenario where Obama could not become President but Biden could only be Acting President and not actually President for the duration of the next term if 0 is disqualified after the EC votes and before the Inauguration based on the wording of Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. There would be no President, just an Acting President, because no President would qualify until the next election. Presumably there would be a special election ordered by the SCOTUS, or Congress, but there isn’t a precedent.

[1066AD]

Barack Obama Sr got his wealthy father

You're right air travel in those days was almost only for those with some extra $$, never seen before that Papa Barack's father was wealthy tho'.

[calenel]

"Obama’s name would have been on the ballot illegally in all 50 states. Those electors would not be seated."

Their votes could be challenged (by any Rep or Senator, I believe) during the counting of the votes done by the President of the Senate in the joint session, but the Electors never actually go to Washington (in an official capacity), just to the state capitals. Only a certified list of candidates and vote totals goes to Washington. The voting by the Electors is separate and distinct from the counting by the VP. It is not a roll call vote.

[Merlinator]

Oldschoolreformer must have two FR accounts. We still see through the BS.

[little jeremiah]

No, they won’t care in 2010, because the upcoming generation will have been entirely neutered and brainwashed via public education, institutions of “higher learning” even more highly saturated with rabid leftists, probably the Fairness Doctrine enforced so the MSM if possible will be even more slavishly bootlicking Obama and his leftist cohorts, ACORN will be more richly funded with our tax money and hiring Black Panthers so insure no voter fraud - for a start.

[little jeremiah]

I would assume that oldengineer/oldschoolreformer will be gone soon.

[oldengineer]

Actually, I would say I’m simply someone trained and experienced at assessing data. I also understand that ignoring the data to avoid challenging a desired result never ends well. It certainly isn’t going to help the Republican Party get anywhere.

And, for what it’s worth, screaming brownsirt at someone who has done nothing but dispassionately lsy out simple logic is representative of neither our Founding Fathers nor the historic leaders of the conservative movement, Reagan included. It is, however, representative of those who created the original brown shirts.

[Oldschoolreformer]

Thank you for the reply, I’m sorry if I am trying your patience.

You cannot argue that anyone gets a colb and argue that Obama’s mom wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship. To do so assumes without evidence that states that do issue after the fact certificates don’t validate requests.

The state sos says Obama asked for a copy of his birth certificate and she says what was posted by Obama was what they gave him.

But are you arguing the colb is fake or not?

You claim Obama hasn’t produced ‘the stinkin document’ but based on what?

The only people claiming Obama hasn’t provided the proof needed to qualify are fringe 9-11 thruthers (berg), fringe third party also rans (keyes), and internet conspiracy theorists (buncha folk here).

I asked what makes you think any of these litigants is entitled to personal viewing?

What disclosure would satisfy the people not ready top believe what Obama has already made public for all to view?

We elect representatives who hire bureaucrats. Name one that says Obama hasn’t produced necessary Docs.

[Yaelle]

If you are correct, than anyone born a citizen is a natural born citizen. This means that anyone born to American parent(s) old enough and having spent enough time in the States to confer citizenship to their offspring is a natural born citizen, no matter in which dusty corner of the globe they emerged from their mother’s womb.

This also means that it matters not at all how many other countries at the same time claim you as their citizen as well. The USA does not recognize said citizenships, nor does it attempt to interfere therewith. There are several ways a dual citizenship can result in getting one’s American citizenship revoked, but it takes a little work. Even then, the USA has discretion.

For example, one way to lose your citizenship COULD BE to join the armed forces of a different country. Yet there are many American citizens who went to fight for Israel, and they never lost their citizenship here. I think it’s on a case by case basis.

I think you are correct though. A child born to an American (meeting the qualifications above) anywhere is a natural born American. [Relating this back to Pres-elect Obama, he would not qualify if he were born elsewhere.]

[little jeremiah]

Oh, we just need to “market” the Repubs as a proper mainstream Trent Lott/Bob Dole/Frist type party, and make sure no more “crazy women” like Palin get near a microphone. I hope the next time I click on this dude and his left hand’s screen names they have turned purple/blue.

oldschool, you sicken me.

[jonrick46]

Barack Obama’s grandfather was Hussein Onyango Obama. It was this grandfather that both Barack Sr. and Barack Jr take their middle name Hussein. Hussein Obama was born about 1895 and died in 1979. He worked for the British colonial government and was a prominent and wealthy farmer. Hussein, was “fiercely devoted to Islam.” He had at least 3 wives: Helima, who had no children, Akuma who gave birth to Sarah Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Auma Obama. His wealth allowed him to support three wives and it is my contention that that wealth helped dispose of Stanley Ann (Barack Jr's mother) to the University of Washington in Seattle.

[blueplum]

1. The Audacity of the ‘Birth Certificate’
you have referred to a “BC” on factcheck and fightthesmears which is not a birth certificate at all - in fact, if you check the lower (left or right, forget which right now) corner of the registry of birth posted at both sites, you will notice the word ‘abstract’ - i.e., a created document - created by teamObama, that is.

2. The Audacity of Obama Electorate/Donors Denied Assurance
a. see Martin lawsuit - (below) petition for release of BC - current status: under consideration by Hawaii
b. On Wednesday, Nov. 19, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas distributed Leo C. Denofrio’s renewed application for a stay of the election for conference on Dec. 5.

3. The Audacity of Mind-Games
in response to request for birth certificate, Mr. Obama sent instead, a typed statement (similar to the typed statement also sent as a reply in a separate response to request for medical records, btw) which all candidates were asked to provide and which all candidates did provide, excluding Obama himself. The only other supporting document was a written statement offered by Mrs. Pelosi, that she ‘knew’ that Obama was a constitutionally qualified candidate.
- footnote: teamObama proported prior to the election that the state of Hawaii had ‘sealed’ his records (even from him) until after the election - this also is not true, according to the Governor of Hawaii’s recent press release.

4. The Audacity of Involving the Legal System all the way to SCOTUS
rather than produce a valid (long form )BC, teamObama has fought the 17+ various lawsuits on the grounds of ‘technicality’ i.e. ,that an ‘ordinary citizen’ has ‘no right’ to challenge

5. The Audacity of Obama, a ‘constitutional lawyer’
Obama is fighting the very constitution he proports to be an expert on. One can only wonder what all the dramaqueen diva behavior is really about - to the extent of chosing to defend 17+ lawsuits at what could be assumed a measurable financial burden, when a simple distribution of his valid BC at the same time as all the other candidates, would have turned this into a non-issue immediately and definitively.

6. The Audacity of Promised Transparency
Obama promised his electors a ‘greater degree of transparency’ in his new administration than had ever been before; this obvious and blaringly intentional game of hide-and-seek with a basic constitutional requirement that places the burden of proof on him, as well as with many elements of his personal background (including associations) can only be frighteningly indicative of the degree and audacity of game-playing we may expect to see in an Obama whitehouse - is this actually the Obama who his electorate imagined they elected, or is an entirely different persona emerging here?.

Food For Thought: Here is what Obama had to say concerning the confirmation of Chief Justice Roberts:
“Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination...it is its DUTY not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can THOROUGHLY AND ADEQUATELY EVALUATE THE RECORD of every single nominee who comes before us”

FYI - Martin lawsuit in Hawaii:
Nov 18th, ‘08 - *******Court Reporter Phyllis Tsukayama******(10:38:15-11:16:46) CT CLK: K. Moriyama - APPEARANCES: Andy Martin, Pro Se Plaintiff - JILL Nagamine/Heidi Rian F/State of Hawaii - [TEXT NOTES:] After hearing from counsel and arguments made, court to take this matter under advisement. hearing concluded. (unusually abbreviated for text notes)
HONOLULU)(November 18, 2008) Aloha from Hawai’i.
A Honolulu circuit judge heard vigorous arguments in the lawsuit filed by Obama author Andy Martin. Martin is seeking access to Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate. The judge reserved judgment.
“We had about a half-hour hearing,” Martin states. “Both the Attorney General and I vigorously presented our respective positions. The Court gave no indication of when or how the ruling could come or what the result will be.

hope this clears some things up for ya - best regards, blu

[antceecee]

Ummmmmm .... troll alert...?

[calenel]

"You cannot argue that anyone gets a colb and argue that Obama’s mom wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship. To do so assumes without evidence that states that do issue after the fact certificates don’t validate requests."

To get a BC from HI you must be born in HI. Fact.

To get a COLB from HI you do not have to be born in HI. Fact.

The document presented on 0's site, fraudulent or not, was a COLB. Fact.

A COLB has nothing to do with citizenship. Fact.

A document from 0's enrollment in grade school in Indonesia cites citizenship other than US. Fact.

0's paternal grandmother, among others, has attested to witnessing 0's birth in Kenya. Fact.

The law regarding inherited citizenship at the time of 0's birth for a child of a US citizen and an alien with said child being born outside of the US or its possessions required that the citizen parent be 10 years a resident and 5 of those after the age of 14. Fact.

0's mother (born 11/29/1942) was 18 years 8 months 6 days at the time of his (born 8/4/1961) birth. Fact.

0's mother could not be resident in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday when 0 was born because she was not old enough - she was only 4 years, 8 months and 6 days past the age of 14. Fact.

Which, if any, of the above assertions do you dispute? All of the above assertions have been documented numerous times right here on FR, on threads specifically discussing this topic. Based on the above assertions there is, therefore, a reasonable doubt as to the citizenship at birth of Barack Obama, and thus a need for him to prove he is Constitutionally eligible for the Office of President.

This doesn't even address some of the more exotic claims such as his mother's citizenship being in doubt, or that there is a third category of citizenship "citizen at birth but not natural born" or that he is actually a British subject or that he holds dual citizenship and therefore has divided loyalties that disqualify him or any of those other theories. It is a simple list of facts that lead to the conclusion that there is a reasonable doubt that needs to be resolved. And the simplest way to resolve it is by producing a legitimate original Birth Certificate.

"The state sos says Obama asked for a copy of his birth certificate and she says what was posted by Obama was what they gave him."

So? If you asked for my passport and I handed you my driver's license, would that be adequate? What he posted was a COLB not a BC.

"But are you arguing the colb is fake or not?"

Neither, merely mentioned that it is allegedly a forgery. Doesn't matter, just as my driver's license, real or fake, isn't a passport.

"You claim Obama hasn’t produced ‘the stinkin document’ but based on what?"

Based on the fact that the one conclusive piece of evidence, an original authentic Birth Certificate, has never been produced. (Still no passport, but I've got my high school diploma. Will that do?)

"I asked what makes you think any of these litigants is entitled to personal viewing?"

Keyes is a Presidential candidate. Does he have standing? He is suing the CA electors to force them to validate 0's eligibility (the right approach IMO). Shouldn't they have standing? The courts' various assertions to the contrary not withstanding, shouldn't every voter have standing in this matter? Shouldn't every Elector, Representative, Senator, the VP and Presidential candidate have standing?

"What disclosure would satisfy the people not ready top believe what Obama has already made public for all to view?"

An original, authentic BC. One simple document.

"We elect representatives who hire bureaucrats. Name one that says Obama hasn’t produced necessary Docs."

A representative or a bureaucrat? Keyes case is still on the table, as is Donofrio's, and 14 or so others, so there are some representatives and/or bureaucrats out there who think so.

[jonrick46]

"Could you please explain how he is trying to subvert the constitution?

Barack Obama knows he is ineligible for elected office under Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution . He is subverting the Constitution when he does not follow its rules.

Has the Obama website Certification of Live Birth been proved to be fake? Good night! There has been foresnic analysis of that website document and there is no doubt that it is a total fabrication. Here is the link to that analysis:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2133500/posts

Also, if you would have been alert to the postings on this thread, you would have seen post #111. It shows the type of Certificate of Live Birth that was typical of what was produced in 1961. Note the information is entered by a typewriter. This is what should be posted on Obama's website. Instead, we get a fabrication. What does that tell you about our new president?

"Where is anyone getting the 800k figure to defend against these suits?"

I have heard that the Obama people have spent about $1 million defending this effort to uncover Obama's Certificate of Live Birth. See this from WikiAnswers:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_will_the_lawsuit_over_Obama's_birth_certificate_be_settled

"Who that needs to see the documents has been refused?"

I am not sure what your question asks. If you are asking, why Hawaii does not give a document to those who request it, the answer is simple: Hawaii releases such documents to those who have sufficient cause. The level of sufficient cause for some reason (I think you can guess) has been raised to the level that it is impossible to get such a document. Did you guess the same reason I did? Yes, I think Barack Obama is applying legal pressure on the State of Hawaii not to release the document.

"How is Annenberg in on this conspiracy?"

Good question. Go forth and find the answer my friend.

"Did the state of HI perpetrate this fraud years ago when Obama got his passport?"

Passport? What passport?

"How much damage are you willing to do to the party pushing these theories without being able to answer simple questions?

It seems that what you are really saying is one does damage to the party by asking questions. Yes, I am asking questions and posing theories in a pursuit of the truth. Since the Obama, the One, the Big Brother, refuses to produce the document and tell the truth, he stands before the American public the accused. And like any case of law, we can piece together the truth of the matter using the forensic tools available to us.

[calenel]

"For example, one way to lose your citizenship COULD BE to join the armed forces of a different country."

I attended the US DODDS (Department of Defense Dependent Schools) in Bad Godesburg, a suburb of Bonn, while Bonn was still the capital of Germany. Many military and diplomatic kids. A lot of the other countries' embassy employees sent their kids to that school. There were quite a few dual citizen kids there. Some of them opted to join the German military (universal draft) at eighteen thereby losing the "other half" of their dual citizenship.

"Yet there are many American citizens who went to fight for Israel, and they never lost their citizenship here."

We have a special relationship with Israel which I fear is about to be ruined.

[Katarina]

I agree with you, and I have to tell you what an awesome writer you are of what is happening. Thank you.

[oldengineer]

Actually, I am not oldschoolreformer. Compare our writing styles and I think that’s clear enough (no offense intended—his style is fine). I’m just someone kind of amazed that this whole birth certificate thing is still going on.

The fact on the table is that the state of Hawaii stands behind an official document that says Obama was born in Honolulu. The copy he produced says it because that’s what the database says. The database says it because that’s what the original documentaiton said. So even if you think his family covered up a birth in Kenya (which I don’t), I guess they did it successfully. Producing the original birth certificate would only demonstrate that.

And for what it’s worth, I know an adoptee from Hawaii. Her short form computer printout from the state looks like Obama’s and says she was born in Korea. So if Obama has documentation from the State that he was born in Honolulu, the only entity that can meaningfully dispute that is the state of Hawaii. And they don’t seem predisposed to do so.

I know you don’t like that, but it’s what every court is going to say if they ever get past the lack of standing argument. Sorry.