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To: Stentor

Actually, I would say I’m simply someone trained and experienced at assessing data. I also understand that ignoring the data to avoid challenging a desired result never ends well. It certainly isn’t going to help the Republican Party get anywhere.

And, for what it’s worth, screaming brownsirt at someone who has done nothing but dispassionately lsy out simple logic is representative of neither our Founding Fathers nor the historic leaders of the conservative movement, Reagan included. It is, however, representative of those who created the original brown shirts.


248 posted on 11/22/2008 12:07:27 AM PST by oldengineer
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To: oldengineer
"Actually, I would say I’m simply someone trained and experienced at assessing data."

Yes, but one can't assess data that isn't available, can one?

This is why some with more than a 2 digit IQ are asking for confirmation of Obama's citizenship status (as a 'natural born citizen') via the 'data' that would be found on his birth certificate.

"I also understand that ignoring the data to avoid challenging a desired result never ends well."

We are not 'ignoring the data' rather we are responding to a lack of same, namely, an approved and legitimate birth certificate, showing beyond a doubt that Obama -- in conformity with OUR constitution -- is qualified to be POTUS.

We 'the people' (that's us)believe that the above is a most reasonable request and further assert that it is our duty -- as American citizens -- to 'police' the constitution, lest it become corrupted through an imposition of a foreign power.

Note: This was the reasoning of the founding fathers in stipulating that the POTUS be a 'natural born' citizen.

"It certainly isn’t going to help the Republican Party get anywhere."

Have you ever heard the expression 'changing deck chairs on the titanic?'

If we allow the evisceration of OUR guiding document -- The Constitution Of The United States -- the question of party affiliation will have become, at that point in time, rather moot.

STE=Q

276 posted on 11/22/2008 10:37:43 AM PST by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: oldengineer
Actually, I would say I’m simply someone trained and experienced at assessing data.

So am I, and I have 35 years experience doing it. (Well, less 1 1/2 years in graduate school, MSEE '77, but my thesis was basically massive analysis of historical data to attempt to predict "next summer's" peak demand on a power system.)

I also understand that ignoring the data to avoid challenging a desired result never ends well.

Little "data points" like Obama's "grandmother" (actually a different wife of his grandfather) being on record as having witnessed his birth in Kenya. Or the current Kenyan Ambassador to the US agreeing that he was born in Kenya and that there is a plan for a commemorative marker on or near the spot.

Little data points like that, that don't "fit the model" Now I also know that not all data fits "the model" exactly, and that is why more data is better.

After all, what could it hurt to have Hawaii send a certified true and complete copy of either the Certificate of Live Birth, or the Certification of Live Birth to a court of law, assuming the posted versions were on the up and up?

310 posted on 11/22/2008 8:24:07 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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