Posted on 11/21/2008 8:22:45 AM PST by Salvation
A lot of her information is accurate - historically.
There is a 25 year old movement among Catholics to defund the CHD. Some dioceses do not donate to the CHD and many individual Catholics (including this one) hand in an envelope with a note, declining participation, instead of a check. I simply add the amount I would have donated to my Christmas donation for the parish.
Each year the CHD receives less and less money - I believe the USCCB may finally be getting the message.
Not to mention that the bishops themselves are slowly but surely in the middle of cycling out the Bernardin devotees and the JPII generation is taking their place. That Rigali and Burke have the ear of the pope doesn't hurt.
Personally, any cash for things like CCHD from me gets dropped in the St. Vincent de Paul box. At this time, SVDP is paying a lot of bills for widows who were left with nothing after their pension-earning husbands died. It's another option for putting donations to good use.
Excellent! They realized that they had dropped the ball on the stewardship over the money WE have sent them, in the form of dues paid by Dioceses. I’m glad they’ve made this move. There are myriad organizations that are doing the work the Bishops like seeing done, and that DON’T involve the partisanship rampant in ACORN. It’s good that they may now be given the support they deserve.
The Catholic bishops have read WAY too much into Rerum Novarum and Centesimus Annus with regard to the responsibilities of the various levels of government to right all social ills. Some of them seemed fine with hanging out with the Dems for just this reason, as long as there was an understanding about the differences over abortion, stem cells, etc.
Now, however, things are beginning to change. The massive scent of hypocrisy over pro-abortion "Catholic" politicians being allowed to receive Communion was the first crack in the wall. The next will be when Obama and Co. pay back the Catholic bishops for their cooperation on poverty and "seamless garment"-type issues by squeezing them into a corner under FOCA until they can revoke their tax exemptions. THAT will sever the alliance of convenience! When the bishops see how they've been played for suckers all these years, and how easily they will be turned on by rabidly evil socialist Democrats, things will probably change quickly. Too bad it takes a tax exemption revocation to remove the scales from their eyes, but...hey, whatever works! It will probably result in some real introspection eventually, and they will see how they've mangled Leo XIII's vision about poverty and social responsibility all along.
For what it's worth, this whole business of government social engineering vs. the responsibility of the individual Christian will be the topic of my Catholic internet radio show (Take Away the Stone) to air at cyberstationusa.com on November 30.
Neither have I, and I've lived in five different states. Second collections are taken up, at most, once a month, again, as you said, unless the Parish is raising funds for the Parish School, CCD program, Youth Ministry,etc. and that's only once or twice a year.
I've never attended a parish that had only one collection.
My b-i-l, a priest, worked, as a Seminarian, in ‘community organizing’ in the MS Delta, 40 years ago. He recognized the Saul Alinsky stamp on Obama from the beginning, because he and his co-workers received that kind of training when they were doing their work. It wasn’t under the auspices of the Catholic Church, but the Church did help in the poverty stricken areas of the Delta, as it should have, so some of their folks were trained along with others.
Yeah, the old Bernadin types are being replaced, as they retire, with more faithful, orthodox Bishops. Praise Jesus!
I hate to give them a pass, but my guess is that they had some good intentions and were simply duped, willingly or otherwise.
I thought the Church was very strong for pro-life and clear in how we may cast our ballots in this election; it doesn’t make a lot of sense to so strongly position one’s self against the Democrats when YOU are paying for someone to do they’re dirty work.
My current parish does, but only because the church is HUGE and it's a full city block to walk down the aisle. There are, however, two envelopes for every week - and not a one says "organ tuning fund".
Yea, I have tried to make sense out of intellingent people voting for things that they are opposed to. Most of tehm that I talk to are just ignorant of the issues. Just like those Obama voters that had no idea of who/what/how politics works.
My heartburn is why CCHD contributed anything to those bolshie ACORN groups in the first place. “Social Justice” (e.g. marxist) CINOs? My money goes to my parish, the FSSP, and occasionally EWTN. I don’t trust anybody else. I learned my lesson with the former ECUSA when I found out where my contributions/donations were going. Local parish and authentic Catholic organizations only for me. I don’t even trust the Bishop’s Lenten Appeal anymore.
The problem is not the righting of social ills, which has always been a responsibility of Catholics. For instance, anyone who has read any medieval literature or studied morality plays will realize that, although the king theoretically stands in loco Dei, in practice almost all of these works are concerned about dealing with wicked kings and improving society.
The problem, rather, is to naively accept the Marxist or Alinskiite explanation of how to repair social ills. The solution, as Communist regimes demonstrated EVERY TIME throughout the 20th century, is not revolution of the proletariat. The solution is to work for justice within the prevailing system, in all but the most egregious cases. No, you couldn’t expect to improve Hitler or Stalin, but you could expect to improve things under Bush, to take an instance.
A lot of this problem results from the professional bureaucrats who wormed their way into the Church in the 60s and still continue to advise the bishops and implement their directions as they see fit. The solution is to clean out the bureaucracy and get people working there who are genuinely concerned about helping people rather than radicalizing them or teaching them heretical beliefs.
I think maybe the bishops are STARTING to wake up, but still don’t want to admit what the problem is. So they emphasize embezzlement, when the real problem is the displacement of Catholic principles by Marxist principles.
Good to hear. It’s long past time for our bishops to put themselves on war footing and stop funding our enemies. Because that’s what we’re going to be facing—a war on the Church.
If the CHD was that irresponsible in giving to ACORN, one must then wonder what other “charities” they give to that may be as bad or maybe even worse. I have no idea, but it does raise the question. Can ACORN be the only bad nut in the mix?
So....this includes all dioceses?
“‘Last June, CCHD cut off funding to all ACORN groups when we learned about a major case of embezzlement ..”
That’s good to read. It seem the bishops were duped, sadly.
Raymond said that there is a grassroots level campaign that are putting acorns in their envelopes this Sunday.
That is scary!
Another thread suggested we give to the poor through the Salvation Army this year.
I know our parish will be feeding and delivering meals to over 1100 people this year. I’ll give to them.
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