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More on where the GOP went wrong
star ledger ^ | November 16, 2008 | paul mulshine

Posted on 11/20/2008 7:35:25 PM PST by Coleus

If you're interested in figuring out where the Republicans went wrong and why they no longer have any connection to anything that could properly be called conservatism, I recommend this fine essay by Paul Gottfried in the latest issue of The American Conservative. Here is how Gottfried debunks the notion that John McCain is in any way the philosophical successor to the man who preceded him in representing Arizona in the U.S. Senate:


"McCain may hold the Senate seat that was once Goldwater's, but he is in no way his philosophical successor. The 2008 election was a contest between two varieties of the Left--between an actually left-wing candidate, Barack Obama, and a spurious, one might say 'adjusted,' right-winger, McCain. By contrast, 1964 was the real thing. As a critic of the New Deal and a passionate opponent of any attempt to expand it, Goldwater questioned the rationale for an American welfare state."

McCain and Sarah Palin, of course, were equal to the Democrats in stating their love for the welfare state, and even went them one better in their desire to spread it to the Mideast. Gottfried nicely debunks the fallacy of so-called "neo" conservatism, which is simply a form of liberalism. Many voters in his home state of Pennsylvania recognized it as such:

"Much of the Right in my state of Pennsylvania rejected McCain. They found his saber-rattling and neocon boilerplate about a 'league of democracies' to be unacceptable."


(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atleastsheisusaborn; gop; mccain; neoconservatism; palin; postmortem; sheevenhasabirthcert

1 posted on 11/20/2008 7:35:25 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Actually it is not complicated why GOP/McCain/Palin lost.
It is because 1st time since JFK the dimocrats ran on tax cuts
for 95% of people. McCain/Palin failed to counter that bribe offered by Zero to the gullible middle class who will never see the tax cuts in Zero’s administration.


2 posted on 11/20/2008 7:42:12 PM PST by ajay_kumar (0Bama stock market down 20% since election and counting..)
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To: Coleus

Two words: Compassionate Conservatism.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 7:59:24 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Coleus

some woman at work told me that bush owns chevron and so on. says he was responsible for all of us having to pay for all the high prices of gas and that is why she voted for obama?

wow is this true.,


4 posted on 11/20/2008 7:59:57 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: television is just wrong

After Kerry the DBM realized they could lead these sheeple any way they wanted by just not reporting negatives on the Dem and report all the negatives endlessly on the Repub.
It worked.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 8:02:43 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: Coleus

McCain claimed to be the philosophical successor to Morris Udall.


6 posted on 11/20/2008 8:27:56 PM PST by pallis
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To: Coleus

Easy call, the big boys love money and power more than they love the nation.


7 posted on 11/20/2008 9:00:53 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: omega4179
just not reporting negatives on the Dem and report all the negatives endlessly on the Repub.

Yup. My vote for where things went wrong rests squarely on the MSM propoganda machine.

Lies, lies lies all the time. They depressed the Repub vote.

8 posted on 11/20/2008 9:01:37 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Yup. My vote for where things went wrong rests squarely on the MSM propoganda machine.


Mine too.


9 posted on 11/20/2008 9:18:55 PM PST by Canedawg (The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: television is just wrong
some woman at work told me that bush owns chevron and so on. says he was responsible for all of us having to pay for all the high prices of gas and that is why she voted for obama?...she voted for the man who leads the party - the Democrats - who are responsible for high gas prices because for twenty years they refused to allow the United States to produce our own ample and otherwise available supply of oil - tell her to enjoy the relatively low gasoline prices we have now while she can, because as soon as he enters office Obama will reimpose the presidential ban on drilling in this country, and the speculators, knowing that we will once again be dependent on Obama's middle-east friends for our supplies, will begin driving the prices for oil back toward the skies - and that lots of us will be thinking about her when we're paying all those reinflated prices by next year this time.......
10 posted on 11/20/2008 9:33:52 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ajay_kumar
Actually it is not complicated why GOP/McCain/Palin lost. It is because 1st time since JFK the dimocrats ran on tax cuts for 95% of people. McCain/Palin failed to counter that bribe offered by Zero to the gullible middle class who will never see the tax cuts in Zero’s administration.

That's as good an explanation as any. That, and having 95% of the "news" and entertainment industry wanting to elect Duh!1©...

11 posted on 11/21/2008 1:55:51 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: omega4179
After Kerry the DBM realized they could lead these sheeple any way they wanted by just not reporting negatives on the Dem and report all the negatives endlessly on the Repub.

September and October were one long negative ad against the Republicans.

12 posted on 11/21/2008 6:33:47 AM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: an amused spectator
September and October were one long negative ad against the Republicans.

Their entire existence is one long negative ad against Repubs, always has been. A shootin' revolution is fine with me...and do it before the reeducation camps are opened please.

13 posted on 11/22/2008 10:02:56 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: television is just wrong
Thank you. You speak the truth. This had nothing to do with Republicans. The MSM has spoon fed a nation full of idiot voters who know nothing except what the MSM told them.

We either figure out how to out PR the RATS and the MSM or we're forever going to be left in their dust.

I see where issues had nothing to do with this.

14 posted on 11/22/2008 10:09:52 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: brushcop
Their entire existence is one long negative ad against Repubs, always has been.

They managed to hide it for a long time, but the Palin suicide attacks forced them out into the open. Scumbags.

15 posted on 11/22/2008 7:05:27 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: television is just wrong

I’ve seen similar examples.


16 posted on 11/25/2008 4:57:03 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Palin alone accomplished the ultimate political success--beating the corrupt status quo)
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To: television is just wrong
Liberals say Bush and Cheney are conducting war in the middle east to "get the oil" so they and their buddies can personally profit from it. But they also blame him for the shortage of supply that increases prices. While I suppose you could think up a plausible scenario for either way, I can't figure out where Bush wants more oil or less oil. Whichever happens seems to be a sinister plot of his to make money, but I can't see how the exact opposite actions could both lead to the same result for him.
17 posted on 11/25/2008 6:45:18 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: what's up

Well, don’t forget RINO and Dem voters in the primary that left the GOP with an uninspiring liberal candidate many swore they wouldn’t vote for.


18 posted on 11/25/2008 6:47:17 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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