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Quicker, Easier Way To Make Coal Cleaner
ScienceDaily ^ | Nov. 19, 2008 | ScienceDaily

Posted on 11/20/2008 1:46:37 AM PST by CE2949BB

ScienceDaily (Nov. 19, 2008) — Construction of new coal-fired power plants in the United States is in danger of coming to a standstill, partly due to the high cost of the requirement — whether existing or anticipated — to capture all emissions of carbon dioxide, an important greenhouse gas. But an MIT analysis suggests an intermediate step that could get construction moving again, allowing the nation to fend off growing electricity shortages using our most-abundant, least-expensive fuel while also reducing emissions.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; cleancoal; coal; energy; globalwarming; junkscience
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1 posted on 11/20/2008 1:46:37 AM PST by CE2949BB
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To: CE2949BB

Hey, here’s a thought! Let’s just acknowledge the truth. CO2 is not a pollutant and AGM is a crock! Problem solved and it’s free!


2 posted on 11/20/2008 1:52:02 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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Hey, here’s a thought! Let’s just acknowledge the truth. CO2 is not a pollutant and AGM is a crock! Problem solved and it’s free!

Water is the prime polluter causing the green house effect. In fact, by the recent Ohio St. scientist's study, it is to blame for 97% of it.

Stop the process of evaporation!

Of course, we need the greenhouse effect, or we would all die in the deep cold.

3 posted on 11/20/2008 1:56:19 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun; Eagles6
Or we could use science and realize that the levels of CO2 being released put it into the level of "pollutant" by the legal definition,* not just the scientific one, and that water vapor has an atmospheric residence time measured in hours and days, not years and decades.

In fact, by the recent Ohio St. scientist's study, it is to blame for 97% of it.

Is that Lonnie Thompson's work? What do you define as "recent"? The most recent word out of Ohio St. is David Bromwich support for the conclusion of Gillett, et al., in their recent paper in Nature Geoscience:

"Our results demonstrate that human activities have already caused significant warming in both polar regions, with likely impacts on polar biology, indigenous communities, ice-sheet mass balance and global sea level."
Do I believe that CO2 emissions are the primary cause of the change in temperature measurements? No. Do I think we should distort the science? Also no.

*IANAL, so that ain't legal advice.

4 posted on 11/20/2008 2:23:31 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: unspun
Of course, we need the greenhouse effect, or we would all die in the deep cold.

Yes, so anyone who throws you into a furnace wouldn't be a criminal, as heat is a basic requirement of life.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 2:27:45 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: CE2949BB
If they do build coal plants, we'll bankrupt them -
Zerobama
6 posted on 11/20/2008 2:43:45 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: CE2949BB

Carbon capture is a great idea despite the fact that Global Warming is a complete crock!! The thing is that I have helped work on a project of this nature and the fact that there are so many uncooperative Dems in office, it’s hard to get anything accomplished. They act like they are so PRO environment!! It’s a total joke. We got a lot more help from Republicans in office. I’m seeing a pattern here...


7 posted on 11/20/2008 2:45:37 AM PST by montesquieu
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To: Eagles6; Normandy; Delacon; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; TenthAmendmentChampion; calcowgirl; ...
"Hey, here’s a thought! Let’s just acknowledge the truth. CO2 is not a pollutant and AGM is a crock! Problem solved and it’s free!"

Too sensible ... besides, it doesn't grow big government even bigger while simultaneously supporting a few well-positioned people in their quest to become even more filthy rich.

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 11/20/2008 3:05:26 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: CE2949BB

bttt


9 posted on 11/20/2008 3:26:59 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: Gondring
Yes, so anyone who throws you into a furnace wouldn't be a criminal, as heat is a basic requirement of life.

That is highly presumptuous. Science has never demonstrated with testing that carbon molecules caused by man to enter the atmosphere is causing significant warming so as to harm the world's climate.

See period at end of sentence.

10 posted on 11/20/2008 4:07:48 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Gondring; Eagles6

The Ohio State University scientist’s study that I refer to was a news item about three months ago. I heard it or heard about it or read about it. You look it up, if you like, Gondring.


11 posted on 11/20/2008 4:11:55 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Gondring
Do I believe that CO2 emissions are the primary cause of the change in temperature measurements? No. Do I think we should distort the science? Also no.

Did I distort the science? No.

12 posted on 11/20/2008 4:29:46 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun

A water molecule has a half life in the atmosphere of about a week, CO2 about a century. If you introduce a ton of CO2 and a ton of H2O into the atmosphere, the CO2 has approximately 5,200 times more effect.


13 posted on 11/20/2008 4:32:55 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
A water molecule has a half life in the atmosphere of about a week, CO2 about a century. If you introduce a ton of CO2 and a ton of H2O into the atmosphere, the CO2 has approximately 5,200 times more effect.

Water is maintaining a roughly 97% level compared to other greenhouse effectors. The effects of carbon in the atmosphere are minimal, no matter how long it stays up there.

14 posted on 11/20/2008 4:48:22 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Of course, that is Earth. If we are talking about Venus, it’s a different matter. ;-)


15 posted on 11/20/2008 4:49:53 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: CE2949BB

Nationally, the United States (with all its infinite wisdom) seems to pass laws and regulations based on a 100% solution. Examples are banning all guns will solve the problem, eliminating all C02 emissions will save the polar bears, etc.

IMHO, most problems are like cutting grass. You take care of the immediate problem (the long grass), and the problem will appear at some indefinite future time. When we have to get the lawnmower out again, we should not be surprised, but we should keep the lawnmower in good repair.


16 posted on 11/20/2008 4:54:55 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: CE2949BB

Clean coal plants that capture CO2 for injection into oil fields will be much less costly (if not more than pay for themselves.) This is the only way to go until the technology becomes less costly.


17 posted on 11/20/2008 5:19:51 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: unspun

Don’t go off onto a tangent. Please respond to my comment, which illustrated that your comment was a red herring.

(I.e., why was the sentence I quoted at all relevant?)


18 posted on 11/20/2008 5:34:49 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: unspun

TBOPIOY


19 posted on 11/20/2008 5:35:33 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: CE2949BB; All

The answer

Nu - clear power.

notice the “clean” in Nuclear

From birth to death cleanist cheapest choice


20 posted on 11/20/2008 5:47:21 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm)
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