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At National Review, a Threat to Its Reputation for Erudition
New York Times ^ | November 16, 2008 | Tim Arango

Posted on 11/16/2008 8:51:55 PM PST by reaganaut1

In a span of 252 days, the National Review lost two Buckleys — one to death, another to resignation — and an election.

Now, thanks to the coarsening effect of the Internet on political discourse, the magazine may have lost something else: its reputation as the cradle for conservative intellectuals and home for erudite and well-mannered debate prized by its founder, the late William F. Buckley Jr.

In the general conservative blogosphere and in The Corner, National Review’s popular blog, the tenor of debate — particularly as it related to the fitness of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska to be vice president — devolved into open nastiness during the campaign season, laying bare debates among conservatives that in a pre-Internet age may have been kept behind closed doors.

National Review, as the most pedigreed voice of conservatives, has often been tainted — unfairly and by association, some argue — by the tone of blogs, reader comments and e-mail messages. “Bill was always very concerned about having a high-minded and thoughtful discourse,” Rich Lowry, the magazine’s editor, said. “If you read the magazine, that’s what it was and that’s what it is.”

In October came the resignation of Mr. Buckley’s son, the writer and satirist Christopher Buckley, after he endorsed Barack Obama for president. He did so on Tina Brown’s blog, The Daily Beast, to avoid any backlash on The Corner.

Now David Frum, a prominent conservative writer who enmeshed himself in a minor dustup during the campaign by turning negative on Governor Palin, is leaving, too. In an interview, he said he planned to leave the magazine, where he writes a popular blog, to strike out on his own on the Web.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: davidfrum; nationalreview; rinopurge; rinorevolution; vichyrepublican; vichyrepublicans
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The Left is full of "erudite and well-mannered debate". /s
1 posted on 11/16/2008 8:51:55 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Don't let the door hit you in the ass, idiots.

National Review will still have the titans of Jonah Goldberg, Mark Steyn, and Victor Davis Hanson.

Christopher who? Somebody Frum? You won't be missed.

2 posted on 11/16/2008 8:56:10 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: reaganaut1

“Now, thanks to the coarsening effect of the Internet on political discourse, the magazine may have lost something else: its reputation as the cradle for conservative intellectuals and home for erudite and well-mannered debate prized by its founder, the late William F. Buckley Jr.”

Considering that NR ceased being worth reading about 18 years ago this is hardly a newsflash.


3 posted on 11/16/2008 9:01:14 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Damn, erudition is one of those words I should know the meaning of.

If Bill Buckley was alive he could explain it to me.

So could his son Christopher.

But he's a dick.

4 posted on 11/16/2008 9:03:20 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: reaganaut1

Fair-weather Republicans moving on to “greener pastures”...


5 posted on 11/16/2008 9:04:48 PM PST by citizencon
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To: reaganaut1

David Frum can leave and not pass go....


6 posted on 11/16/2008 9:04:59 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Pelham
The end of the Cold War killed the Buckleyite fusionist coalition. John O'Sullivan (English Fop) and Rich Lowry (yuppie douchebag) both ran the magazine into the ground.

Sad, as it appears as though the Right has lost its intellectual bearings, now represented by the tabloid idiocy of Fox News and the low-IQ pablum of Sean "Joe Lieberman is my friend" Hannity.

7 posted on 11/16/2008 9:06:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: reaganaut1
Smug and condescending jackasses can be found on the left and the right.
8 posted on 11/16/2008 9:07:49 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SeafoodGumbo

With any living thing dead cells slough off and begin anew elsewhere. Enough said. I look forward to new skin :-)


9 posted on 11/16/2008 9:07:56 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Pelham
"coarsening effect" my puffy white ass...
10 posted on 11/16/2008 9:08:04 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

“National Review will still have the titans of Jonah Goldberg, Mark Steyn, and Victor Davis Hanson.”

Pygmies, maybe, titans, not a chance. The titans were James Burnham, Jeffrey Hart, Russell Kirk, Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, among others.

Once Rich Lowry and the pygmies took over NR should have been printed on a roll.


11 posted on 11/16/2008 9:08:21 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: reaganaut1

The Times on the other hand doesn’t have to worry about a reputation for erudition. If it ever had one it left a long, long time ago.


12 posted on 11/16/2008 9:08:52 PM PST by hometoroost (Obama our first Halfrican-American president)
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To: reaganaut1

They mistakenly looked at the Democrats “as the friends across the Isle”.....without realizing it convert or be destroyed.....just as with radical Islam in alot more ways than one thinks...

Maybe its time to support M.Steyn, Goldberg et all at Natl Review more than ever....

They are in restucture at the same time as GOP...lets see if they end up parrallel to each other.....


13 posted on 11/16/2008 9:09:33 PM PST by sbark
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In an interview, he said he planned to leave the magazine, where he writes a popular blog, to strike out on his own on the Web.

Next stop, the Huffington Post.

14 posted on 11/16/2008 9:09:46 PM PST by Mojave (http://www.americanbacklash.com/)
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To: Clemenza

I’m buying you a beer. Make that two beers.


15 posted on 11/16/2008 9:09:55 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Clemenza
You're a great American.
16 posted on 11/16/2008 9:11:28 PM PST by Mojave (http://www.americanbacklash.com/)
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To: Pelham
“Once Rich Lowry and the pygmies took over NR should have been printed on a roll.”

Oh, my...what a wonderful jab. Hope you don't mind if I appropriate that for my own use.

17 posted on 11/16/2008 9:16:20 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Hopefully, Ponnuru is next - another elitist RINO.


18 posted on 11/16/2008 9:17:18 PM PST by WillT
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To: SeafoodGumbo
re: National Review will still have the titans of Jonah Goldberg, Mark Steyn, and Victor Davis Hanson.)))

Yes, and Katty Kathleen Parker wrote for them this week.

19 posted on 11/16/2008 9:17:29 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: Mojave

No. George Washington, Black Jack Pershing, and Ronald Reagan were great Americans. I am but a humble citizen upset at the flatulence currently being peddled as “right wing” opinion by an Australian.


20 posted on 11/16/2008 9:18:12 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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