Posted on 11/16/2008 8:35:29 PM PST by motoman
Although this link has been previously posted, I believe that this "forged" document and the Birth Certificate controversy are related.
...Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama's Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions
(Excerpt) Read more at debbieschlussel.com ...
Even if he were an alien he would still have to register. There is nothing wrong with my post.
O’Bammy’s BC,,,(long form),,,
This shows the country where he was born,,,(Father/etc.),,,
For $20.00 All this would be over...
I really think the recent disruptors are proof that the Hussein camp is a bit scared, and that the stink is going to start seeping into some media here and there.
(I have a short form BC - not state of HI - and a long form. My long form lists hospital, doctor, mother/race/address and father/race/address. The short form says just parents, date, time and place it is recorded. At least, I haven’t looked for some years but definitely the long form has the details, short form does not. So why is Hussein refusing to reveal his long form.
If you read the threads about this you would know. Do a search and read. Then you will know everything that everyone else has already spent time and energy learning.
Because the MSM isn’t biased, it is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dem party/leftists.
So why is Hussein refusing to reveal his long form.
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IMHO : Because it will show that he was born in Kenya and
is not a citizen...
Yuppers.
He would have to be a US non-citizen meaning a permanent resident, asylum seeker or other category granted US protection.
Or he would have to be a dual citizen.
In the thread here and elsewhere, it is asserted that he may have been adopted by his Indonesian father and that such an adoption would have stripped his US citizenship (if any) as Indonesia did not and does not allow dual citizenship, and the US must comply in international adoption cases with the adopting country’s laws.
So the question then goes to his college records which he has refused to release. There is suspicion that he was funded as a foreigner by foreigners.
What these suspicions plausibly point out are that Barack Obama was confused about allegiances and about how to pay for his Ivy League education. He is a smart man and seems to have put a puzzle of shrouded pieces together to portray his status on a clean slate, albeit not factual.
If I had a confused past as Obama’s, and I had a benefactor willing to pay my way through prestigious Ivy League academic institutions on condition that I was a Muslim and a citizen of a Muslim country, then I would not under any circumstances jeopardize my chance by revealing that I may possibly be a US Citizen (or feign to be one) and I certainly would not register for the SSS if I could claim to be legally a foreigner.
I know quite a bit about Hawaii and the Punahou School on Oahu. I know in such a backdrop that Obama would likely want to continue his quest for elite status by attending college at an institution recognized by elitists. But funding is a problem. And it is entirely possible that young Obama saw an opening that required him to ‘play’ a role. Later after Harvard Law School when political openings were available, he saw a need to recast himself again, and that is why he is keeping certain records secret and covering up.
We have a right to have suspicions and to ask questions. And we do not deserve to be called names or to be cast as fringe dwellers because we ask questions.
All of these questions could be easily answered. The issues raised by the questions are not as important as the coverup taking place.
This is similar to Nixon’s Watergate in which the crimes were petty and inconsequestial in comparision to the coverup. If Nixon had been forthcoming from day one on Watergate he would never have needed to resign.
Insert picture of Calvin urinating on the Indonesian law code here.
Unfortunately Barack Obama is an American citizen, much to my regret. Your statement that the U.S. must conform to Indonesian law shows that you have been misled and/or are confused.
There is nothing in American law that forbids dual citizenship. There is nothing in American law that forbids a dual citizen from being President if he has sufficient electoral votes.
Barack Obama's character and past may make him an unsuitable President, but the American people have elected him. The American people will endure the consequences of their folly.
Let’s assume.
Let’s assume
Let’s not!
“There is nothing in American law that forbids dual citizenship. There is nothing in American law that forbids a dual citizen from being President if he has sufficient electoral votes.”
The Constitution refers to a requirement that a President have been a “natural born citizen”. If at the time of birth, Nobama had dual citizenship or had actually been born outside the USA, then that would call into question his status as a “natural born citizen”, don’t you think?
While I’m not sure I’d want a President who later in life acquired dual citizenship, the real question is what was his status at the time of birth.
No one has been able to provide proof that he was born outside the country. Even if they could under law passed in 1994 an American parent only had to reside in the U.S. for two years after fourteenth birthday, and the law was retroactive, covering births back to 1952.
And to quash your last dying hope of an argument, the no ex post facto doctrine only applies to criminal law. Citizenship law is not criminal law.
Personally I have no doubt that he was born in the United States, and believe all talk otherwise is just hot air. Those who believe otherwise, provide actual proof.
Do I think it is a good idea to have this man as President? No. But the American people have proven by their votes that they don't care. They will endure the consequences, whatever they are. Elections do have consequences.
........They will endure the consequences,......
That remains to be seen. If the cities don’t become heaven on earth, there may be riots and destruction.
No pie......fire and looting
:)
Exactly
Why wouldn't Obama's legal team just present that Factcheck document from the website in their court filings as evidence to back them up in their requests for dismissals ----- UNLESS, of course, his team is fully aware that that Factcheck document is a forgery and a fraud, and thus its subsequent presentation to the court would/could result in perjury/felony charges against them for presenting a known forgery as evidence.
You see, it is okay in our legal system to lie on a website, on radio, on television, in print and get away with it -- but not under oath and to the court.
Obama's team is in a quandary here especially as more and more lawsuits are filed.
So do violations of the Constitution upon which those elections are based.
Welcome to free Republic! Now go away.
Howdy, esteemed lady! Are things there in the” Sandbox” as quiet as they have been reported to be lately?
“There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids a President from having dual citizenship.”
True, it is now recognized even at Obama’s officially sanctioned website that Obama was born with dual citizenship.
The entire notion of natural born citizen is embedded in “allegiance.” By common law, someone born on the king’s land automatically owed allegiance to the king (and conversely, was owed protection by that king).
The Founders COULD have decided that ANY citizen who had “been fourteen Years a resident within the United States” could serve as president. But one can infer that 14 years of residency did not in their eyes confer sufficient proof of allegiance to the U.S. to warrant someone being entrusted with the powers of the president.
Likewise, the Founders COULD have determined that an infant born in another country would be eligible so long as they moved to the U.S. and became a citizen within 1 year (or 1 month, 1 week or 1 day) of being born. But they didn’t even do that. It clearly was REALLY important to have as a president someone whose allegiance to the US was beyond dispute, i.e., a natural born citizen.
In theory, a child born as a dual citizen has (or could be argued to have) mixed loyalties. Suppose Obama had been born under identical circumstances, but his parents’ marriage turned out differently, i.e., they returned to Kenya with Senior and Obama stayed there until age 30—but never renounced his American citizenship. Then, like many Africans, he ended up getting both his college education and law degree from the very same schools that Obama did. After returned to Kenya after his JD, Obama decided to move to Chicago and try his hand at community organizing etc. According to your theory, there would be NO constitutional bar to Obama’s becoming our president. But in this counterfactual example, I hope you can see there would be some serious questions raised about where his real loyalties lay.
Obama never did live in Africa and one could argue that despite living far more of his life outside of the US than is typical of Americans his age born in the US, he has never indicated any allegiance to a country other than the US. If this were litigated, this presuming is exactly the argument that would be made on his behalf. But remember that an equally strong argument might be made for someone born in Mexico who legitimately immigrated to the US at age 1 and had been a US citizen ever since. But the latter individual unequivocably would not be constitutionally eligible to be our president.
The identical logic applies to Obama. A natural born citizen is one whose allegiance to the US was automatic and unequivocal. A dual citizen at birth does not meet this test. This is NOT an issue of some country retroactively declaring a presidential candidate one of its own citizens in order to trip up that candidate’s eligibility for office. This is an issue of what laws were on the books at the time Obama was born: he was born a dual citizen and up until age 21, he COULD have opted to become a full-fledged Kenyan citizen. And had his parents’ marriage worked out, that might well have been what would have happened to him.
Thus, the fact that he didn’t is irrelevant to his legal standing. By the logic of the Founders in setting the natural born citizen requirement in the first place, the fact that for nearly half his life Obama COULD have pondered being a citizen of some other country raises sufficient concerns about his allegiance to the US as to render him ineligible to serve as president.
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