I thought this thread might be a joke but apparently FR does have its share of conspiracy theorists/survivalists. Why would anyone think that the election of Barack Obama would lead to a complete breakdown of social order? I realize that his election is a bad thing but it isn’t so bad that we should all start running to hills.
Are you truly that naive?
Agreed. We’ll be back up and running in a few years.
This has nothing to do with Barack on more to do with our Affirmative Action economy. I know local auto dealers that are fearing they are going to have to close down.
Has little to do with that. Started this with Sputnik.
Evidently, you have not done much reading over the past few months. Get to it!
Begin by reading the books by William W. Johnstone, especially the OUT OF THE ASHES series.
I look at everything in today’s mix and have concerns that I never had before. Same sex marriage and its backer’s hatred, coupled with our moves toward socialism and the banking scandals....I believe it is wise to prepare for a different future, one that is not all roses.
I’m a former boy scout....failure to prepare.....
Who’s running for the hills? I’m staying put and making sure my property is fertilized with the leaking fluids of erstwhile “tyrants”.
When FReepers are getting concerned, anxious, and worried one pays attention. In case you are wondering what is all the worry perhaps the ongoing economic situation, the call by Obama to bankrupt coal, the re-institution of NO Drill policies, the seizure of 401K & IRA assets, the Civilian Defense Corp... all of which will crumple the social order and systems. There is actually a long list of concerns and it grows daily.
It must be those darn socialists spreading rumors again.
Everyone knows the one is going to make things peacfull and serene.
Why do you post such niave questions?
“...apparently FR does have its share of conspiracy theorists...”
- - -
Aw, shucks, this ain’t nothing.
You shoulda been here leading up to Y2K
or immediately following 9/11!
I have neither the expectation nor the confidence
in any man, or any group of men, or any government
to provide for the safety or well-being of me or my family.
That is my job.
I don’t think it’s the election that will do it, but if we sink into a depression - who knows what will happen.
I don’t consider myself a survivalist, but rather a survivor. Here are a few reasons to be concerned about Barack Obama taking office in regards to the social order thing...
First of all, he’s promoting policies that America cannot financially afford. If his revised tax hikes make it through, you are going to see 15% or higher unemployment. May not seem like a lot but our structured welfare system will be bankrupt within a year should that happen. What do the people do then?
Second is that Obama wants to defund the military. This will drive even more people into unemployment market.
Socially, he wants a womb to tomb parental support from the Government. Specifically, he wants socialized healthcare. Where is this money going to come from? Oh yeah, taxes.
Now, let’s look at this for a minute. His tax policy is going to put people out of work and he wants to implement higher tax dependant social programs that will mandate higher taxes... which in turn will put more people out of work simply for the fact that most business aren’t going to be able to afford hire people.
So, what are the people out of a job to do? How will they survive? They have a couple of options here. 1. They turn to crime. 2. They become homeless beggers. 3. They die.
I’ve yet to hear how Obama plans on preventing this cascading cycle from happening with his grand scheme. In the process, he’s going to bankrupt this nation. There will be civil unrest which will lead Obama to call in his “Civilian Defense Group” or as it is more likely to be, his personal army of brown shirts. They in turn will have UN backing and “advisors” on the ground. How many people do you think will tolorate the UN running things here?
Things are going to get very, very ugly over the next couple of years. I could be wrong, but is it worth taking the chance like the Jews did in Germany in the 1930’s? I can’t speak for anyone else but I will not surrender my safety or the safety of my family to anyone else. I try to be nice and polite to all that I meet but if anyone tells me that I must surrender my arms, my freedom, or that I must submit to the UN.... or attempt to use violence against me, my family or my friends to “persuade” me to surrender everything to them.... well, let’s just say that our would be masters won’t like my answer very much.
My main concern is that Obama’s policies may incite a major conflict here. Should that happen, it’ll be a matter of moments before the UN, or some other entity enters our nation to quell the situation in the name of “maintaining security of the nuclear, biological and chemical arsenal of the US”.
We must be prepared for the worst and pray to the Lord for the best in these times of trouble. To not do so is to basically lay down willingly on the chopping block.
So, to the original poster on this thread, I say, prepare. Get what you need to protect yourself and the ones you love. Pray that you never need to do so but don’t throw your life or the lives of your family away because you hesitated. Frankly, you should have been prepared long before now.
Mike
It’s not about Obama. Obama trying to solve the economic crisis is like someone trying to catch a falling piano. The last estimate of money lost due to credit default swaps was 16 trillion dollars. The $750 billion bailout is a joke. It looks like we’re headed into a perfect economic storm. As for a breakdown of social order, I don’t know. Of course if unemployment already at 6.5% hits 19% as in the Great Depression, it’s not going to be pretty.
You might want to buy a couple of wheelbarrows while they’re still cheap. If treasuries are downgraded and the fed starts to monetize debt, you’ll need them along with some personal protection. Depending on where you live of course.
Doesn’t matter who’s in the White House or Congress. Being prepared to provide for and able to protect yourself is never a bad thing. As with everything though you need moderation. Don’t sell everything you own to purchase guns ammo and storable food. Survivalists have been given a very bad incantation by the media. It seems it has become a bad thing to be prepared to take care of yourself.
Maybe you would prefer it stated this way. I’m preparing to adopt a very low carbon foot print life style.
The financial mess is so bad, that for me - it wouldn't matter if McCain had been elected, Bush had stayed in office, or Obama had won...
It would have been the same.
This is a hope for the best, prepare for the worst kind of time... That said, the "end of the world as we know it" probably only has a 3% chance of happening - but it's too high to ignore.
Are you sure of that? How sure are you? Are you sure enough to bet your life on it?
Human nature is to fear the unknown- Obama has been very careful to make sure we know very little about him.
I am not running to any hills but I was always told it is good planning to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
What if that deranged nitwit allows his Marxist core to get the better of him, and he causes a famine or some such while “reforming” agriculture? And will he be too busy stopping sea level rise to give a s^*%?
Moderation is key. Don't buy what your family wouldn't eat and you cannot go wrong. You also might save $’s in a future tight spot.
It's not the election, it's the economy.
Most of us in hurricane country and our brethren in earthquake/firestorm country already keep a "bug out" kit and other supplies for emergencies.
Doesn't hurt to set aside stuff in the event you get laid-off either. Job situation being what it is you might not get decent work for months or longer.
If I remember when I get off work and can find the link, I'll post a fascinating link to an Argentine blogger that lived though severe economic times down there. Fascinating article. Short version: stock up on food.
I saw the after effects in Mongolia after the demise of USSR. It was not pretty when the system collapsed. It became real to me that that could happen in the US also and there isn't going to be anyone to bail us out.
Regarding Obama, most Conservatives understand it is not just him but several things potentially coming together at once.
Conservatives study and understand history, understand nothing is perfect and take personal responsibility for their future.
By the nature of your question, I wonder if you have personally experienced the effects of an economic/social turn down yet. Many have not. If you ask, most posters here probably have seen tough times or been told about them and understand.
During the great depression, a third were losing, a third were surviving and a third were doing well. It is more luck than management. With the coming chaos, there is no obvious port in the storm. Those that survive and do well will say they made wise decisions, but it will be more luck than management. This crap storm can go anywhere and hit any port of refuge. I still plan for a future, and make the best decisions I can but suspect most of them will be the wrong decisions.