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I need some positive reasons why not to plan for a SHTF scenario.

Posted on 11/16/2008 3:15:11 PM PST by rfmad

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To: Terry Mross

There are a lot of nice places where one can make a living and still not have to live in the suburbs or a big city. If you can find a few acres out in the country (at least a days walk from a major city) and put a small place on it, you’ll be fine. Nothing fancy, it doesn’t have to be your main home. Just a place to run to.


101 posted on 11/16/2008 4:24:38 PM PST by DugwayDuke (What's more important? Your principles or supporting the troops? Vote McCain!)
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To: rfmad
Your first plan is for staying put. Do you have a few months of food in the house and all other necessities of life?

Then, if you feel it's necessasry, you can make a bug out plan, but remember, only the strongest will survive that scenario, and you have to be able to get to a very remote area. Those folks living in the country aren't going to be real pleased at your arrival. Remember, "you" will be the intruder under those circumstances.

102 posted on 11/16/2008 4:25:44 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: George Smiley

I never cared for Ham and Lima beans either. For most field problems, I made my own ‘C-Rations’. Can of this. Can of that. It worked.


103 posted on 11/16/2008 4:26:42 PM PST by DugwayDuke (What's more important? Your principles or supporting the troops? Vote McCain!)
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To: steadfastconservative

I don’t think it’s the election that will do it, but if we sink into a depression - who knows what will happen.


104 posted on 11/16/2008 4:26:43 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: rfmad

I’m already in the execution stage. Not that I am actively worried that the world ends tomorrow...just that I’m going to act as if it were. I have had 30days of food for 10 years..I;m just going to rotate it. I am obtaining more 00 buck. I have never needed it and don’t ever expect to need it. I will however have it. All the steps I personally am taking are nothing more than ensuring that I can eat for at least the next month or so.

I figure if we get so clobbered by whatever that I can’t get food locally after a month or so, I may as well eat a bullet as civilization is done.


105 posted on 11/16/2008 4:27:23 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Miss Behave
I worry about the Power Grid.

Think non electric. It never fails. We've been working on off the grid living for years. We started because we hated taxes of any kind. We learned from the Amish.
When we had a week long ice storm up here, people ran for shelters in the schools and stuff. We were just fine.

106 posted on 11/16/2008 4:27:52 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: steadfastconservative

I don’t consider myself a survivalist, but rather a survivor. Here are a few reasons to be concerned about Barack Obama taking office in regards to the social order thing...

First of all, he’s promoting policies that America cannot financially afford. If his revised tax hikes make it through, you are going to see 15% or higher unemployment. May not seem like a lot but our structured welfare system will be bankrupt within a year should that happen. What do the people do then?

Second is that Obama wants to defund the military. This will drive even more people into unemployment market.

Socially, he wants a womb to tomb parental support from the Government. Specifically, he wants socialized healthcare. Where is this money going to come from? Oh yeah, taxes.

Now, let’s look at this for a minute. His tax policy is going to put people out of work and he wants to implement higher tax dependant social programs that will mandate higher taxes... which in turn will put more people out of work simply for the fact that most business aren’t going to be able to afford hire people.

So, what are the people out of a job to do? How will they survive? They have a couple of options here. 1. They turn to crime. 2. They become homeless beggers. 3. They die.

I’ve yet to hear how Obama plans on preventing this cascading cycle from happening with his grand scheme. In the process, he’s going to bankrupt this nation. There will be civil unrest which will lead Obama to call in his “Civilian Defense Group” or as it is more likely to be, his personal army of brown shirts. They in turn will have UN backing and “advisors” on the ground. How many people do you think will tolorate the UN running things here?

Things are going to get very, very ugly over the next couple of years. I could be wrong, but is it worth taking the chance like the Jews did in Germany in the 1930’s? I can’t speak for anyone else but I will not surrender my safety or the safety of my family to anyone else. I try to be nice and polite to all that I meet but if anyone tells me that I must surrender my arms, my freedom, or that I must submit to the UN.... or attempt to use violence against me, my family or my friends to “persuade” me to surrender everything to them.... well, let’s just say that our would be masters won’t like my answer very much.

My main concern is that Obama’s policies may incite a major conflict here. Should that happen, it’ll be a matter of moments before the UN, or some other entity enters our nation to quell the situation in the name of “maintaining security of the nuclear, biological and chemical arsenal of the US”.

We must be prepared for the worst and pray to the Lord for the best in these times of trouble. To not do so is to basically lay down willingly on the chopping block.

So, to the original poster on this thread, I say, prepare. Get what you need to protect yourself and the ones you love. Pray that you never need to do so but don’t throw your life or the lives of your family away because you hesitated. Frankly, you should have been prepared long before now.

Mike


107 posted on 11/16/2008 4:30:29 PM PST by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Rockingham
On the plus side, people will refocus on family and friends and will develop a keener sense of fundamental value.

That's true.

108 posted on 11/16/2008 4:31:21 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Ammo never goes bad

If it is stored properly i.e. cool and dry. Even then it will eventually go bad. But if it is stored correctly it will probably last longer than the person that stored it.

109 posted on 11/16/2008 4:33:55 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: DugwayDuke

I do admit a strange fondness for beef and rice with onions.


110 posted on 11/16/2008 4:34:46 PM PST by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
"Those folks living in the country aren't going to be real pleased at your arrival. Remember, "you" will be the intruder under those circumstances."

I'd never squat, and I don't think that many FReepers would, either. It's time to buy a piece of rural property. You can't "intrude" on your own property.

111 posted on 11/16/2008 4:35:52 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: rfmad

My plan, in a nutshell:

1. Stock up on food supplies, at least six months worth.
2. Stock up on water. We live in a desert, and a water shortage isn’t outside the realm of possibility.
3. Save up several thousands in cash to keep on hand at home.
4. Pay off debt as quickly as possible.
5. Assess our guns/ammo situation. We need a good hunting rifle and a smaller handgun in addition to our Desert Eagle and a revolver.

This doesn’t allow for any and every disaster scenario under the sun, but in our city (Phoenix) getting out of town in a disaster would be nearly impossible. With food, water, protection, and cash, I think we could manage on our own for quite a few weeks.


112 posted on 11/16/2008 4:36:16 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: rfmad

Put this website on your daily reading list.

www.survivalblog.com


113 posted on 11/16/2008 4:38:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: BCR #226
A wise man hears of trouble coming and prepares for it. If that trouble does not arrive, he's still much better off because of it.
114 posted on 11/16/2008 4:38:41 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rfmad

Keep a few months supply of food, water, hygeine products, and a system for dealing with no water, power or heat.

Other than that, just do right by your friends and family, and keep on good terms with the Man Upstairs.


115 posted on 11/16/2008 4:39:10 PM PST by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: George Smiley

Ever been to Korea?


116 posted on 11/16/2008 4:39:11 PM PST by DugwayDuke (What's more important? Your principles or supporting the troops? Vote McCain!)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Meant to say that I don't think that any other FReepers would.
117 posted on 11/16/2008 4:39:18 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: rfmad

Keep a few months supply of food, water, hygeine products, and a system for dealing with no water, power or heat.

Other than that, just do right by your friends and family, and keep on good terms with the Man Upstairs.


118 posted on 11/16/2008 4:39:56 PM PST by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Rockitz

hmm


119 posted on 11/16/2008 4:40:10 PM PST by zek157
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To: Rockitz

hmm


120 posted on 11/16/2008 4:40:12 PM PST by zek157
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