Posted on 11/16/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The auto bailout will save nobody’s jobs, all it will do is socialize another industry and make our overall economy weaker.
Socialism feeds failure and starves success.
Capitalism feeds success and starves failure.
Which is a better model for economic growth?
“Where will the jobs come from in the future? We don’t make things (TV’s appliances soon no cars) anymore.”
US industrial production in 2007 was higher than ever. Productivity has been higher than ever
“In 12 Tech CEO’s want H1B visa people to take tech jobs (no American is qualified you understand).”
I am an American and I work in high-tech. And yes, we do not have enough qualified Americans, since too many flee engineering. Recessions ‘cure’ this for a while, but its hard to find good people in normal years.
” Call centers have moved overseas. “
Some low-paying undesirable service jobs are going overseas and in the process overall costs go down and its a win/win.
So have textile jobs. You need to stop looking at the jobs that you think are ‘going’, when in a dynamic economy we shift everyday; you should instead look at the overall health at home,
“Wachovia has moved its clerical operation overseas...where will the jobs come from. Do you really believe we can remain a great country while we serve hamburgers to one another?”
that’s a strawman since we have huge industrial production, agri production and complex services.
“The GOP lost their way when they stopped caring about job creation. I don’t know how they can fix this.”
If the GOP goes down the false path of protectionism, it will kill jobs. Bailouts without end will weaken the economy. Pro-growth policies are what is needed.
Fortunately we can have a good contrast with the Dems, by just sticking to . The Dems want to grow the Govt, in so many different ways in their agenda; the GOP wants to grow the economy. Stick with lower/flatter/fairer Taxes, business regulation reduction, science and technology focus in education, etc.
That’s actually a pretty good idea.
:-)
The demographics of this country are changing rapidly. The US of today is nowhere near being the US of 1980 or 1984 or even 1990. Let me draw me draw some comparisons based on census information.
In 1980, one in 16 residents of this country was an immigrant. Today it is one in 8.
The population of the US in 1980 was 227 million; in 1990, 249 million; 2000, 281 million; and today 305 million. Over the past 28 years, we have added almost 80 million people, most of it due to immigration and minorities. Or to put it into some further context, We have added more people since 1980 than the entire population of the US in 1900, i.e., 76 million at that time.
In 1990 there were 248.7 million people with the Hispanic population being 22.3 million and blacks 30 million. Today there are 305 million with the Hispanic population now at 46.7 million and blacks at 41.1 million. Non-Hispanic whites are currently 199.8 million compared 199.6 million in 1990.
In 2030, when all of the baby boomers will be 65 and older, nearly one in five U.S. residents is expected to be 65 and older. This age group is projected to increase to 88.5 million in 2050, more than doubling the number in 2008 (38.7 million).
Similarly, the 85 and older population is expected to more than triple, from 5.4 million to 19 million between 2008 and 2050.
By 2050, the minority population — everyone except for non-Hispanic, single-race whites — is projected to be 235.7 million out of a total U.S. population of 439 million. The nation is projected to reach the 400 million population milestone in 2039.
The non-Hispanic, single-race white population is projected to be only slightly larger in 2050 (203.3 million) than in 2008 (199.8 million). In fact, this group is projected to lose population in the 2030s and 2040s and comprise 46 percent of the total population in 2050, down from 66 percent in 2008.
Meanwhile, the Hispanic population is projected to nearly triple, from 46.7 million to 132.8 million during the 2008-2050 period. Its share of the nation’s total population is projected to double, from 15 percent to 30 percent. Thus, nearly one in three U.S. residents would be Hispanic.
The black population is projected to increase from 41.1 million, or 14 percent of the population in 2008, to 65.7 million, or 15 percent in 2050.
The Asian population is projected to climb from 15.5 million to 40.6 million. Its share of the nation’s population is expected to rise from 5.1 percent to 9.2 percent.
In 2050, the nation’s population of children is expected to be 62 percent minority, up from 44 percent today. Thirty-nine percent are projected to be Hispanic (up from 22 percent in 2008), and 38 percent are projected to be single-race, non-Hispanic white (down from 56 percent in 2008).
The working-age population is projected to become more than 50 percent minority in 2039 and be 55 percent minority in 2050 (up from 34 percent in 2008). Also in 2050, it is projected to be more than 30 percent Hispanic (up from 15 percent in 2008), 15 percent black (up from 13 percent in 2008) and 9.6 percent Asian (up from 5.3 percent in 2008).
This is a reality we have to deal with. What can I say, my wife is an immigrant and my kids are nonwhite.
My wife is an immigrant but white. The problem has more to do what is happening to the black and Hispanic families than race or ethnicity. The out of wedlock birthrates for Hispanics is 50% surpassed only by the black rate of 68%. Hispanics have the highest school drop out rates with blacks second. They are nearing 50%. This is the social pathology for failure in this society. We should be very concerned since the future of this nation is tied to their success.
Asians are outpacing whites in areas such as education and have lower out of wedlock births. If Asia was the source of most of immigrants, I would be less concerned about the future of this country. a
“most people have a history of how well the free market works to know what is possible. Obama can’t satisfy the electorate with a lot of make work programs that won’t help anyone.”
I very much hope that you are right and I am wrong.
But I don’t think so. Young people today don’t even know that they’ve been watching the free market work. Their ignorance is staggering.
“most people have a history of how well the free market works to know what is possible. Obama can’t satisfy the electorate with a lot of make work programs that won’t help anyone.”
I very much hope that you are right and I am wrong.
But I don’t think so. Young people today don’t even know that they’ve been watching the free market work. Their ignorance is staggering.
When I was in College in the early 70’s there was just as much indoctrination. A lot of them believed it until Jimmy Carter came along, then they switched to Reagan.”
Then, though, the leftist indoc had to overcome some proper upbringing, things learned at home and in church.
A kid today seems to be practically a tabula rasa for the leftist teacher to mold as he will.
If the GOP fatalisticly gives up and lets itself be tagged the white, Christian party, and retreats behind the mason-dixon line, abandons the cities and lives in rural areas only, then the politics of patronage, dependency and spoils will triumph as the Democrats take advantage of demographic trends to use the minority vote and the single/youth/dependent-class vote as the lever to power. Then your scenario will play out. But I consider that the Cassandra-like warning not to be inevitable precisely because we know the trends. We’ve been there before - ethic white immigrants in the mid-century were reliable Democratic voters - Irish and Italian catholics, slavs, others. The GOP made inroads by appealing on issues to turn them into “Reagan Democrats” and know in many cases Republicans.
It will be a very difficult swim upstream, but we can and we will take efforts to make sure it doesnt happen.
- In the 1990s, Christie Whitman got 40% of the African American vote in her New Jersey races
- 4 years ago, Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote (to 31% this year)
- even just getting CLOSE to parity in youth would erase the Dem advantage this year
- Consider the flip-side. The white voters reject racial spoils emphatically. The white voters who voted for Obama got ‘sold’ that he was post-racial. It was a myth, so let him live or die by that, and let us hold his feet to the fire and GET HIM FIRED if he becomes the political correctness President (that white voters will abhor). The Democrats have a pitiful share of white married and white Christian voters, and for good reasons - they have nothing to offer self-reliant people who adhere to American traditional values.
We can completely smash the politics of political correctness by getting back to equality of opportunity and not giving an inch of moral high ground on this. We hae seen this, where the Ward Connerly led propositions win time and time again. There are sufficient minority voters who adhere to conservative values (viz the whole prop 8 vote) that we can win races.
The problem is that the GOP brand is less sellable than conservative values, while the Dem brand is more sellable than a liberal agenda by itself. If we fixed that disconnect only and nothing else we would be the majority party.
What to do?
- Fix our vision (on clear and clean conservative principles), fix our brand (by cleaning up GOP act);
- Get ‘competence’ ‘integrity’ ‘intelligence’ and ‘character’ back as labels we associate with Republicans.
- Reach out to the groups the Dems are taking over that are amenable to our message (middle-class and traditional values/Christian minority voters, youth who agree with small govt/liberty messages, etc)
Our biggest challenges will be the elites vs populist issues, where we must have a credible economic blueprint that both businesses and people buy into.
Yes, it is, actually.
All your pathologies are relevent, but
“Asians are outpacing whites in areas such as education and have lower out of wedlock births. If Asia was the source of most of immigrants, I would be less concerned about the future of this country.”
The GOP should be winning the Asian voters. The fact that we arent is a testament to our inability to market, outreach and do politics the old-fashioned way, person to person.
And what is it?
Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are MinoritiesIf you want to get a preview of what life will be like in huge swaths of the USA [or what, by that time, will have become the former USA, after the coming disturbances], then spend some time at these sites:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050901841.htmlWhites will be minority group by 2042, Census predicts
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/48071.html...Non-Hispanic whites will drop below 50 percent of the population as early as 2042, according to U.S. Census Bureau projections to be released Thursday. That's about 10 years earlier than demographers previously had predicted, said Grayson Vincent, a demographer for the Census Bureau...
The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
http://detroityes.com/home.htmvery politically incorrect site
http://www.zasucks.com
We effectively have had a one party system for some time. There is/was very little difference between Republicans and Democrats for the past 50 years. They functionally both increased the size of the Federal government (recall that Reagan mandated a 55 mph speed limit on all the states and increased the deficit. Think of Bush’s prescription drug scheme). Both political parties like to spend more money than they take in from taxes. The Democrats and Bush have outdone themselves by almost doubling the national debt IN ONE YEAR! Truly, I say to you, that our grandchildren will curse our names because we stood by and did nothing.
Until a major change occurs, there will be no effective change but tax and spend and tax again. There is a conservative base out there ( I estimate about 13 percent give or take a few percent that could do something, but they are disorganized and tend to fight among themselves.)
In the meantime let the MSM pick the Republican candidate which the Democrats will trounce. May God have mercy on the US - the last great hope of Earth.
So, what is the implication? You must be assuming that:
1. These trends will continue
2. Minority voting patterns are fixed and will never change
3. White voting patterns are fixed and will never change
4. These demographic changes will occur in every state evenly.
No, in fact these trends will accelerate - as the Blue State caucasian baby boomer nihilists begin to die off, en masse, in about 15 years, without having bred at replacement levels, the white population will implode into veritable nothingness.
2. Minority voting patterns are fixed and will never change
We have more than a century's worth of data on this, and there is absolutely not even a single shred of evidence - not anywhere, not at any time - that "minority" voting patterns will ever change.
3. White voting patterns are fixed and will never change
There might be some hope that whites will start voting to preserve their own interests, but e.g. in more than a century of trying, we still have not been able to convince the Catholics not to vote for socialist tyranny, and I don't hold out much hope for them at this late hour.
And the cause of the Blue State nihilists, for what little time remains for them [before they go extinct, for lack of breeding], is simply hopeless.
4. These demographic changes will occur in every state evenly.
No, they are not happening evenly; cf:
The Baby Gap: Explaining Red and BlueOur one hope is that we can gather a core group of these non-nihilist caucasians [who are still making babies] and form some sort of a breakaway republic.
http://www.isteve.com/BabyGap.htm
But the cause of the USA as we knew it is permanently and hopelessly lost.
Don't even waste your time being sentimental about it - our challenges are far too large at this point to afford to spend any time feeling sorry for ourselves.
Yeah, but now it's all official and all!
Some groups come to America and succeed almost immediately. But other groups have a long, bleak track record of failure dating back hundreds of years to their countries of origin. Is there any way the latter groups could ever be convinced to support a capitalist system in which most of them will be relegated to burger-flipping duty?
Repairing the family and reinstating traditional values will lower the crime/dysfunction rate, but is there any evidence that their productivity could be increased to meet contemporary American standards?
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"The West" is an antiquated concept anyway. We are not an outpost of Europe.
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