Pawlenty Raises "Moderate" Flag at RGA (We've got another McCainiac RINO in our midst)

Human Events ^ | November 14, 2008 | Jack Thompson

[St. Louis Conservative]

The “Republican governor eyeing a presidential run in 2012” appears to be Minnesota’s Tim Pawlenty. Pawlenty used his time at yesterday’s roundtable discussion to cast himself as the “modern” Republican while casting aspersions on the traditional conservative message, calling for outreach to the “new demographics,” deriding the GOP for allegedly being 15 years behind in the use of the Internet, and calling for the party not to be led by “a crank.” Pawlenty appears to have John McCain’s penchant for attacking conservatives rather than those in the other party.

Pawlenty in Miami was publicly angry, agitated, and even cranky, possibly because he found himself at odds with the far more conservative tone of every other speaker here. Hundreds of RGA members, who paid thousands of dollars to attend this Conference, wildly applauded “red meat” conservative pronouncements by speakers and not the more moderate and conservative-jabbing words by Pawlenty. And then there’s his “Palin problem,” real or imagined, that hit the fan yesterday in front of the national media, possibly upon the insistence of Pawlenty himself, as the above-reported comments to CNN by an anonymous presidential aspirant indicate.

[TheFourthMagi]

And exactly what sort of aspersions does that supposedly provide a basis for?

[TheFourthMagi]

Phyllis Schlafly is cool.

[itsahoot]

and Nixon almost beat JFK.

Actually Nixon beat Kennedy, but was robbed by the same group that presented Obama to you. Nixon probably would have prevailed in court, but declined to put the country in a constitutional crisis.

Cook County, there is only one......

[itsahoot]

And exactly what sort of aspersions does that supposedly provide a basis for?

Gee I don't know, maybe seniority, maybe just out right disdain for newbies that come complaining, otherwise you wouldn't have been called out on the issue.

[itsahoot]

Phyllis Schlafly is cool.

OK, you have repented already.

[HawaiianGecko]

You should know better than that!  Being logical and making sense will get you nowhere in life or on this thread. ;-)   Everyone else knows that the way to build a lager consensus is to insult possible converts and throw out 40 year card carrying members of the GOP.  The only reason this hasn't worked in the past is simply that we haven't had the right fascists in charge of the party. Don't you know this?  

BTW there is no such thing as a RINO.  The Republican party is is not an ideology. It is an organization one joins, therefore if you join it you are a Republican, period.  You may be a liberal Republican, a moderate Republican or a conservative Republican.  You may be a populous Republican like Palin or you may be a libertarian Republican like Paul.  Or you may be a fascist Republican that banishes thought that doesn't conform with the narrow minded.

BTW: Here's Pawlenty's profile on the left and Palin's on the right.  One of these is called a RINO in here.  Excuse me while I leave for a few minutes to laugh my butt off.

[Plutarch]

Pawlenty has grown his mullet back, and it shows.

[TheFourthMagi]

Or perhaps some are frustrated by their own inability to formulate cogent points of debate and thus desperately fall back on their sign up date in a last ditch bid to manufacture credibility out of thin air.

:o)

[HawaiianGecko]

"Or perhaps some are frustrated by their own inability to formulate cogent points of debate and thus desperately fall back on their sign up date in a last ditch bid to manufacture credibility out of thin air."  Yeah, it's kind of like a gaggle of 10 year olds measuring their dicks in a school yard.
Of course Pawlenty is a liberal, you know, these old timers say so.  You can't tell by reading his voting record and position papers, you have to learn from being insulted in a forum.  Hell, this Pawlenty guy actually appointed a PRO-LIFE chief justice to the MN supreme court!  What a liberal RINO.
 
My God, this man wants teacher led prayer in school!  How RINO can you get. 
This Pawlenty RINO commie wants to require the Pledge of allegiance in public schools.  Can you imagine that! 
He strongly favors Mandatory 3 strikes sentencing laws... GD liberal of him, don't ya think?  
OMG he wants to privatize social security!  Shame on him, these liberal RINOs will stop at nothing! 
Drug use is immoral and laws against it should be enforced?  Doesn't sound very conservative to me. 
He thinks the feds should fund the Real ID program and electronic verification of citizenship prior to employment.  GD commie rinos are going to ruin our country!
Pawlenty supports that crazy Patriot Act.  Man, this guy is way out there!

Let's run him out of the party!

[MattMa]

Yes, he is a big government, global warming governor. He did try to stop the Democrat Farm Labor party, from over spending.

He did assign a $0.75 health fee (tax) on my cigarettes.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

Here's Pawlenty's profile on the left and Palin's on the right. One of these is called a RINO in here. Excuse me while I leave for a few minutes to laugh my butt off.

There's more to it than their stance on the issues. Much more. I sense somrthing in Palin that's lacking in Pawlenty. In a word....courage.

I don't truat Pawlenty. I sense he is just another "wet finger" politician.

"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others". Winston Churchill

[itsahoot]

in a last ditch bid to manufacture credibility out of thin air

Like you do, cool. Freepers are pretty adept at spotting trolls, I will let them decide.

[TheFourthMagi]

My advice would be to simply debate things on their merits.

[HawaiianGecko]

 For what it's worth, I'm not pro-Pawlenty or pro-anyone right now.  I'm just pro-GOP.

This national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Republican Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports November 5, 2008. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

91% of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, that's good.  However, the same survey found that 81% of Democrats and, more importantly, 57% of unaffiliated voters had an unfavorable view of her.

With 30% of the electorate being GOP and about 30% being independent and more than half of ind. having an unfavorable view of her, that's a long row to hoe to get her into office.  43% of 30% is 13% of indy votes.  Hence, 30% GOP plus 13% independent only gets you to about 43% and that's with all Republicans voting.

Keep that in mind with the same survey saying:   Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Huckabee, including 46% Very Favorable. Sixteen percent (16%) regard him unfavorably.   Eighty-one percent (81%) view Romney favorably, with 45% Very Favorable. Fifteen percent (15%) have an unfavorable opinion of him.  I'm not hawking for either of these guys (although I voted Romney in the primary), the data was just there lying around doing nothing and costing me even less so I thought I'd simply use it.

Now this was taken the day after the election and it's my opinion that at least 91% of GOP voters are not about to give her anything but a favorable reading.  I mean, who is going to walk into a voting precinct, vote for Governor Palin and then immediately say they voted for someone they don't like.  Her 91% is going to fall precipitously in my very humble opinion.  Huckabee and Romney have been out of it for a very long time and still have high ratings. 

Plus, losing GOP vice presidential nominees historically have had a tough time.

1. Jack Kemp, Dole
2. Dan Quayle, Bush
3. Nelson Rockefeller, Ford
4. William E. Miller, Goldwater
5. Henry Cabot Lodge, Nixon
6. Earl Warren (Yep, that Earl Warren the USSC CJ), Dewey

7-10. None of the losing VP's during FDR's reign made it
11. Charles W. Fairbanks, Charles Even Hughes GOP nominee against Woodrow Wilson
12. Nicolas Murry Butler, Taft (lost to W.wilson)
13. Whitelaw Reed, 1892
14. John Alexander Logan, 1884
15. William L Dayton, 1856

This is a list of all the 'losing GOP VP nominees' since the inception of the Republican party in 1854 and looking at the list I just put together, we haven't lost very many times period.  However, it appears that the citizens of the U.S. have never elected a losing GOP vice presidential nominee to the office of the President.

[incredulous joe]

I don’t see Pawlenty as being a closer and ~ from what I hear (haven’s seen the actual videos) ~ I really don’t like the sour tude.

Previously, I’ve heard him on Hugh Hewitt and he sounded very good ~ positive.

I expect the electoral map may look very different in 4 years. He can be a veep for Jindal or Palin if he can carry that state.

[HawaiianGecko]

 "He did assign a $0.75 health fee (tax) on my cigarettes."   Get a rope.   :-)

[itsahoot]

My advice would be to simply debate things on their merits.

Not possible with you, since facts are clearly not important if they don't support you position.

[TheFourthMagi]

That is interminably vague.

What facts in relation to what position?

[WilliamReading]

Agreed. Talking about 2012 now is just dumb.

[Al B.]

For what it's worth, I'm not pro-Pawlenty or pro-anyone right now. I'm just pro-GOP.

I've voted GOP in every election since 1968 and I despise the current GOP. As long as it's dominated by RINO's, I'll never support them again.