No So Fast! How about that citizenship “President-elect” Obama?

The Independent View ^ | November 15, 2008 | By Matthew Weaver

[library user]

A new challenge to Senator Barack Obama’s citizenship was filed November 12th in California demanding that the court stop certification of the election results until the state’s secretary of state can ascertain from Senator Obama his legal qualification to be a candidate for President.  This 18 page petition is a quick read.  It offers a good summary of what is at stake and the questions that surround Senator Obama’s citizenship.

A few points:

• Petitioners Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr., and Markham Robinson, establish their standing to file the petition as members of the American Independent Party, for which Drs. Keyes and Drake were presidential and vice-presidential candidates on California’s ballot, respectfully.  (This is a technical point that doomed some other lawsuits.)
  
  
• Petitioners note that Senator Obama has not provided proof of his citizenship eligibility despite repeated requests during the primary and general election campaigns.
  
  
• Petitioners note that action in at least 10 states is underway challenging Senator Obama’s eligibility.
   
• Petitioners note that the 2007 birth certificate offered by Senator Obama is of questionable credibility for several reasons, including that it is a copy of suspect authenticity and that it does not detail actual birth location.
  
  
• Petitioners note that the only person claiming witness to Senator Obama’s birth is his own paternal grandmother who claims he was actually born in Kenya, then the British East African Protectorate of Zanzibar.  Other records and recollections of family members suggest either Queens Hospital or Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii.  The disclosed Registry of Live Birth is a short-form of the birth certificate that does not state whether Obama was born in Hawaii or that his birth was subsequently registered there within the year following birth as then allowed by state law.
   
• Petitioners note that around 1967, Senator Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and new stepfather.  Records indicate that once in Indonesia he adopted his stepfather’s name and citizenship.  Since dual citizenship was not allowed by Indonesian law, and U.S. law and treaty obligations required respect of this, Mrs. Obama-Soetoro had to relinquish her minor son’s U.S. citizenship.  Elsewhere, they note that if he later recovered it, and no records apparently substantiate this, it would by law be as a “naturalized” citizen, not a “natural born” and, thus, ineligible for the office of President under the Constitution.
  
  
• Petitioners also note that in 1961 what is now known as Kenya was then the British Protectorate of Zanzibar which, if he was born there as his paternal grandmother claims, he would be a British citizen based on his father’s citizenship.
   
• Petitioners also note that in 1981 Senator Obama traveled to Pakistan, which was then banned by the U.S.  Since he could not legally travel with a U.S. passport, they question whether he used  one of his other passports:  Indonesian, Kenyan, or British.  (Interesting point is that the petitioners state affirmatively that he had other passports.)

I am curious to see how this case fares in the courts.  The question of Senator Obama’s citizenship and constitutional eligibility have never been settled.  In fact, Senator Obama has resisted at every step to release his birth certificate and other relevant records that would resolve this matter.  That he has fought this suggests the information is at least embarrassing, if not disqualifying.

On August 14, 2008, I wrote a detailed article, What is Obama’s Citizenship?, where I explored some of the questions about Senator Obama’s citizenship.  I asked eight questions (seven pertinent to this discussion) that are still substantially unanswered today:

1. Are you now a U.S. citizen?
    
2. Have you ever held as a youth or adult, citizenship in another country?
    
3. Did you ever possess or travel using, at least in part, the passport of another country?  (E.g., while in Indonesia, visiting Pakistan, Kenya)
   
   
4. Did you renounce any foreign citizenship, and when, and do you now hold solely U.S. citizenship today?
    
5. Can you confirm or deny your name change as a youth from Barack Hussein Obama II to Barry Soetoro when you were adopted by your step-father?
    
6. Did you legally reclaim your birth name?  When and how?
    
7. Why did you not list your adopted name Barry Soetoro on any forms associated with your legal profession or others that ask for any other names you have ever used?  Have you now or will you update these records?

In regards to questions 1-4, Senator Obama’s own Web site says he was, through his father, a British citizen and that this British/Kenya citizenship “automatically expired August 4, 1982.”  That it “expired” doesn’t explain if he had passports and used them, nor does it address his potential Indonesian citizenship or how these were reconciled with his U.S. citizenship, especially where laws and treaties prohibited dual citizenship.

So, when will we see proof that Senator Obama is or is not a constitutionally eligible citizen?  Before or after he takes office?  As Keyes et al note, the latter will cause “irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.”

[SERKIT]

Some of us have raised our right hands to support and defend the constitution. It is NOT shrill, and it is NOT frivolous to fight the three (or more) high-powered attorneys that are obfuscating Barry's inability or unwillingness to comply with it.

[Osage Orange]

Hmmmm.... is America too corrupt to care?...

Quite possibly...or too afraid of the consequences.

[Osage Orange]

I can't wait until some Bill (I am god) Riley type, asks Biden if he has seen Bama’s real hidden birth certificate....

In your dreams............

[Osage Orange]

Oh, you mean like Congress setting up committee’s to investigate Congress.

[Osage Orange]

If McCain, and the party, had come out against the bailout like 90% of the American people, he would be President-elect today. By a landslide that no double-voting in Philly would have been able to effect.

Now, you're dreaming.......

: )

[Osage Orange]

constitutional technicality

Well hell....just go burn the stupid document..and let anyone in the whole flipping world come and run for office here.

Hugo Chavez could probably win half the vote....if he was a Dim.

[RepublitarianRoger2]

LOL, yeah, like that.

[HighlyOpinionated]

You realize of course that this article, its author, it’s posting here and every respondent are now on PeeElect’s “Threat List?” How could you do such a thing as to allow us all to read and respond to these FACTS about PeeElect? Oh, for shame.

Why is there an SUV with dark tinted windows parked in front of my house? It’s been there ever since I started reading FR. Maybe I’ll take them something to eat. Like waffles sprinkled with powdered white confectioners sugar. [SaRc]

[RipSawyer]

I just don’t understand why upholding the Constitution is so damn difficult nowadays!
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Yesterday I mentioned to a retired “minister of the gospel” that Rahm Emmanuel is on video saying that there is a plan to require 90 days of national service for persons between the ages of 18 and25. He replied that he thought it was a good idea. I then asked him if he realized that that would be in conflict with the 14th amendment which ended involuntary servitude except for convicted criminals. His reply was revealing,”I don’t care about the constitution”. There it is for all to see, if someone who claims to represent God’s truth thinks the constitution should be disregarded what can we expect of others?
It is all part of the plan, children are not taught about all the men who died so that we could enjoy the rights guaranteed in that precious document, they have no knowledge of what it means and they do not value it. The takeover from within is proceeding as scheduled. When I stop posting on this forum it will probably be because I have been imprisoned or killed for exercising my rights guaranteed by the constitution which I swore an oath to defend a couple of days before my eighteenth birthday.

[HighlyOpinionated]

It occurred to me the other day that because Obama said there were things on his BC that could “embarrass” him, AND the fact that he makes SUCH a Big Deal about “being and acting ‘Black’” in his books, that his Vault Copy could state that his race is WHITE and his REAL LEGAL NAME is Barry Dunham with the Sealed BC showing “Barry Dunham Soetoro (or Sotoro)” — WHAT else could be embarrassing?

What else besides all his hype about how he determined to be a “black marxist” while in College would embarrass him so much that he would want to hide his Vault Copy of his BC?

Forget about the Natural Born status (which I’m sure he failed to meet). The most EMBARRASSING documentation on his Vault Copy of his BC wouldn’t be “no father listed” (which MUST have been listed for him to “lose” his Kenyan er, BRITISH citizenship in 1982 — unless THAT is part of the overall LIE). THE MOST embarrassing item would be “ethnicity” or “color” or “race.”

My money is on the “ethnicity or color or race” being “WHITE” or “Caucasian.” PeeElect could never live that one down. Talk about an uproar from the “real” Black Community. An Imploding Effect on Obama’s dream to be a President and not just a PeeElect one if he is listed as a WHITE man, after all.

[RipSawyer]

Victory at the ballot box in two years is the actual solution to the problem that you can believe in.
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Sorry but I am pretty much convinced that in two years our election will be a complete fraud with zero possibility of electing anyone not approved by the leftists.

[JudgemAll]

It reminds me of the movie “Catch me if you can”. The FBI dude hunting the little terrorist starting to look like a kook or completely incompetent, but resilient.

There is something about Democracy that ticks me off, and it is all the illegal stuff it allows by vote fiat, like abortion, for example. What’s another illegal thing voted for such as a foreign Obama in the minds of a fikle ditsy people?

The emotional affair Obama has with foreigners and gratuitous Marxist terrorists are enough of a huge pink elephant to disqualify him, yet it is being ignored. If he can get caught on a physical location technicality, I suppose it is poetic justice since Ayers was freed himself on technicalities. I mean, what if he had been asked simply to support a citizen’s arrest of Ayers or Wright for inciting terror and riots, so as to prove his distancing from them? It would have been enough to corner him, but it never were done.

God’s speed with it and prayers up, is all I can say.

[JudgemAll]

Oh, and it would be funny if the con supported by the communists had never told them about this tidbit and they never were informed of were he actualy were born by himself...

[mick]

You know that's not what I meant....... I was addressing the practicality of trying to reverse a national election in the courts. His citizenship should have been adjudicated earlier. It wasn't and now it's too late.......Furthermore I oppose even bringing up the question now because the courts will let it slide ( you know that, don't you? )and if he wasn't really qualified constitutionally and everybody is made aware of it then we will have bigger problems down the road.
The election is over, friend. For a million reasons they stole it fair and square. We got beat. Lets pick up the pieces and fight it out in congress and the coming election of 2010

[JudgemAll]

Ministers nowadays are becoming more and more ignorant and defensive of what they do not know. If they knew the Bible, they’d know the Constitution and the persecuted who wrote it.

That being said, from a Christian view, the spirit is earned through suffering, and not through lessons and memory. So ministers go on and tell us to follow God, but by God they mean the texts they themselves hypocriticaly memorize instead of live and suffer through. They forget we live and suffer by Bible and Constitution.

All in a game of words and self deceit and sinful gratuity called experience/”education” vs. living/figuring instructions.

[RipSawyer]

Anyone who knows two cents’ worth of information about Obama knows that this thing our founding fathers feared is now coming true.
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I have been somewhat dismayed recently on learning just how few citizens actually know two cents worth of information. In this age of mass communication miracles the world is filled with a fog of MISinformation and most are too lazy to seek out the truth and or unable to recognize the truth when it bites them on the buttocks.

[Arkinsaw]

I simply cannot believe my freeping eyes. Free Republic was started as a CONSTITUTIONALIST website. You posers make me sick.

I am not posing in regard to the Constitution. I am only telling you the reality that the judicial system is not our friend and is not going to do a bleeding thing about this no matter how much you hope it will. No magic unicorn will appear to make it all right.

Two years from now are Congressional elections. Best turn attention to that.

[thecodont]

For what it’s worth, some anthropologists classify Kenyan ethnic groups with “Caucasoids.”.

http://racialreality.110mb.com/subraces.html

[Osage Orange]

I think I know what you meant.....but the result is the same.

If, it turns out he was born in Kenya...and both Houses think it's just fine...we just can't have the turmoil at this time.

What next? At what point in time do we say well...."some" of the Constitution IS important and we will abide by it...but other "parts" aren't and we will overlook them. I happen to call that a BIG problem......

[Eagle Eye]

It wasn't and now it's too late..

Bull.

Go back to your wimpy, no spine GOP brothers and sisters.