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Obama's plans for probing Bush torture(Barf)
Salon ^ | Nov. 13, 2008 | Mark Benjamin

Posted on 11/14/2008 7:04:26 PM PST by Red Steel

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1 posted on 11/14/2008 7:04:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

And, much as Harry Truman did after he left office, President Bush can (and probably will) tell Congress to go pound sand. There is precedent in this case, and they’re not about to appease the loony left for something like this. Just because Bush has left office doesn’t mean his executive privilege expires.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 7:09:33 PM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Red Steel
The interrogation business should have been "outsourced" to private individuals. A have and hold harmless clause or two in the contract would have covered all the problems.

And, the lowest bidders would have had a ball!

3 posted on 11/14/2008 7:10:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red Steel

0bama will soon learn that the new guy covers for the old guy, because in time he will be the old guy depending on the new guy for a pass.

Just as Bush covered for Clinton, so will 0bama cover for Bush.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 7:14:11 PM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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To: Red Steel

Soviets blamed everything on the past leader. nuff said.


5 posted on 11/14/2008 7:16:58 PM PST by stockpirate ($300 MDUS in illegal donations to O's campaign. Stolen election, where's the outrage?)
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To: Red Steel
But few think prosecutions are realistic, given the formidable legal hurdles and the huge policy problems competing for Obama's attention.

It will eventually occur to these folks that Bush and his "cronies" do not deserve legal protections. The court of the "people" has spoken. Same goes for Bush's supporters.

6 posted on 11/14/2008 7:20:36 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Red Steel

B.H.O. shouldn’t really go there... that is if he doesn’t want to be dragged through the mud in 2013 or beyond.


7 posted on 11/14/2008 7:25:16 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Red Steel

What “brutal interrogation policies?”

Water boarding? Our own troops are water boarded as part of their training.

Like Rush’s T-shirts say....

“Club Gitmo.....Your Tropical Retreat from the Stress of Jihad.”


8 posted on 11/14/2008 7:27:56 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("When the anti-christ comes, millions will love him")
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To: Red Steel

I hope Pres. Bush would tell Obama the same thing he told the terrorists, “Bring it on!”


9 posted on 11/14/2008 7:28:14 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Trajan88

The Dims just can’t resist overreaching.


10 posted on 11/14/2008 7:28:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Trajan88

Like there’s nothing else the brilliant minds of the incoming administration might have to occupy their time.

More welfare for lawyers and urinalists, methinks.


11 posted on 11/14/2008 7:31:02 PM PST by mathurine
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What “brutal interrogation policies?”

Water boarding?

Yeah, the dingbats think so.

12 posted on 11/14/2008 7:32:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It would be the end of the rats if he went on with it.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 7:40:41 PM PST by Dallas59 (Redistribute Obamas Wealth)
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To: airborne

no he won’t he has no class and cares nothing about the country


14 posted on 11/14/2008 7:47:06 PM PST by genxer
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To: Red Steel

Better fix the economy before heading off on a witch hunt. Not good to torture U.S. citizens who have to watch misdirected government.


15 posted on 11/14/2008 7:55:42 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Red Steel

Sounds like a coming witch hunt by Hussein.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 8:30:07 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: JimSEA
The criminalization of policy differences is an abuse of power characteristic of totalitarian regimes. Bush would be within his rights and-- in this case, obligation to the nation-- to issue a pardon construed as broadly as necesary to abort this form of thugocracy.

This is not a case of somebody's hand in the till, or lying to a grand jury, or clintonian malfeasance. This is a politically inspired attempt to punish those who carried out the national security operations of the U.S. government during a time of war.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 8:32:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Red Steel

Way to get the insurrection ball rolling Obama you idiot.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 8:42:34 PM PST by Force of Truth (The "common good" will make us all common.)
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To: Red Steel; maica; Cindy; M. Thatcher
Red Steel, I hope you don't mind if I put this here. It's related to the whole "torture" lawsuits saga:

MARCH 2002 : (HARLEM, NY CITY : "NION PROJECT" IS SPAWNED AT ST MARY'S "CHURCH" -- SEE OBAMA CAMPAIGN BUNDLER JODIE EVANS OF CODE PINK) In March 2002, individuals from different organizations, backgrounds, communities and political perspectives met together at St. Mary's Church in Harlem, NYC, to discuss what was needed to build resistance to the U.S. government's "war on terrorism" launched in the aftermath of September 11, 2001. The group recognized that the government was embarking on a new openly imperial policy towards the world and a dangerous escalation in the curtailment of rights domestically.
The Not in Our Name Pledge of Resistance and Statement of Conscience-Not in Our Name are the two living documents that were developed from the March 2002 meeting and express the essence of the Not in Our Name Project. Participation is open to individuals and organizations that adopt the Pledge and participate in Not in Our Name-initiated and supported events and campaigns. ------About the Not in Our Name Project http://www.notinourname.net/archive/mission-statement-aug03.htm ...19 posted on 06/27/2005 5:39:06 PM PDT by listenhillary | To 1
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* C. Clark Kissinger and Mary Lou Greenberg, both of whom are Directors of NION and members of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP). Clark Kissinger, co-director of NION and the RCP, was quoted as saying that when the RCP took over, “it would be necessary to shoot everyone who didn't agree with them." -----Not In Our Name and the World Wide Terrorism Web: The "Peace" Movement's Trojan Horse.,," FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | Wednesday, March 19, 2003 | By Michael Tremoglie
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* Not In Our Name : An unsavory cast of fringe groups has also slimed its way into the “Free Lynne Stewart” sweepstakes. Refuse and Resist, a group headed by Maoist Clark Kissinger (also the leader of the anti-war group Not In Our Name), actively promotes Stewart.  Kissinger is also a leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
Other fringe communist groups supporting Stewart include Pravda, the World Socialist Website, the Committee to Support Revolution in Peru (an arm of Peru’s bloodthirsty “Shining Path” rebels) and International A.N.S.W.E.R (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism)—the Stalinist sect at the helm of many recent anti-war protests.
---------- " Cheerleaders for Terrorism: Radical lawyer Lynne Stewart continues her support for Islamic terror ," By Erick Stakelbeck, FrontPageMagazine.com, Wednesday, June 17, 2003 posted June 18, 2003
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According to L.A. Weekly writer Steven Mikulan; "the “Not in My Name” campaign - which pushes an anti-war statement signed by scores of prominent and celebrity lefties, including Jane Fonda, Martin Luther King III, Marisa Tomei, Kurt Vonnegut and Oliver Stone - has been directed, in part, by C. Clark Kissinger, a longtime Maoist activist and member of the Revolutionary Communist Party." Mikulan continued; "Lately, another kind of debate has swirled around the doctrinaire beliefs of the anti-war movement’s organizers. International ANSWER (Act Now To Stop War and End Racism), the group behind Saturday’s march, is the creation of a Trotskyite sect called the Workers World Party, which noisily supports such pleasure domes as North Korea and Yugoslavia under Milosevic.
Similarly, the Not in My Name project, which sponsored a celebrity anti-war petition campaign, can be traced back to the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party, who, like the WWP, has nary a discouraging word to say about Saddam Hussein — or any anti-American tyrant and guerrilla movement."
------------- Steven Mikulan, LA Weekly Writer in Open City: Following the Flags in San Francisco, Fri Nov 1, 2002. The LA Weekly is an alternative weekly newspaper. Also seen in "Behind the Placards : The odd and troubling origins of today’s anti-war movement," by David Corn, Washington Editor for the progressive The Nation.;" Jane Fonda joins with Revolutionary Communist Party," Jane Fonda Files, Jane Fonda Files Posted on 03/24/2003 9:48 PM PST by Creekblood

SEPTEMBER 19, 2002 : (NION AD IS PUBLISHED IN THE NY TIMES) "Here is our answer; We refuse to allow you to speak for all the American People... We refuse to be party to these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will show our solidarity in word and deed." Not In Our Name Advertisement New York Times, September 19, 2002 19 posted on 06/27/2005 5:39:06 PM PDT by listenhillary | To 1

OCTOBER 6, 2002 : (NY CITY : NION INVITES SAMI AL ARIAN {see TAMPA CELL} & LYNNE STEWART {see OMAR ABDUL RAHMAN} TO THEIR RALLY IN CENTRAL PARK) However, NION’s links with Muslim terrorists are not just indirect, through IFCO. NION invited both Sami Al-Arian and Lynne Stewart to address their October 6, 2002 rally in Central Park. Stewart was indicted for passing messages on behalf of her terrorist client Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman. ------ "Not In Our Name and the World Wide Terrorism Web: The "Peace" Movement's Trojan Horse.," By Michael Tremoglie, FrontPageMagazine.com, Wednesday, March 19, 2003

JUNE 2005 : (MICHAEL RATNER BEHIND "WAR ON GITMO" -- See BLEEDINGHEARTATTACK, ELLEN RATNER, EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, MALL OF AMERICA, NATIONAL LAWYER'S GUILD, CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, CUBA, CHE, LYNNE STEWART {See 1993 WTC CONSPIRATOR OMAR ABDURAHMAN}, GEORGE SOROS, TIDES FOUNDATION, WORLD CAN'T WAIT ) Important companion thread - David Horowitz is highlighting people that we need to know as our enemies in this fight for the future of America.
The man behind the attack on Guantanamo (traitorous b*st*rd Michael Ratner) front page mag ^ | 6-16-05 | DiPippo , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424416/posts
47 posted on 06/19/2005 7:27:20 AM PDT by maica

JUNE 23-27, 2005 : (ISTANBUL, TURKEY : "WORLD TRIBUNAL ON IRAQ" aka WTI [* aka GATHERING OF LOONS]--- See NION, UPJ, CODE PINK, ANSWER, GREEN PEACE, CONGRESSMAN DICK DURBIN)

OCTOBER 2005 : (NION-ORGANIZED 2005 ICICAHCBA* MEETING [* Group of loons endorsed by CCR, NLG, After Downing Street.org, former Sen. James Abourezk, former British MP Tony Benn, authors Gore Vidal and Howard Zinn, poet Lawrence Ferlinghetti, and actor Edward Asner... ]) [the mock "indictments" against the Bush admin were the result of ] preparatory work and testimony presented in New York City in October 2005, before the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration which featured former UN envoy to Iraq Denis Halliday, Guantanamo prisoners' lawyer Michael Ratner, and former State Department officer Ann Wright.
---- "Citizen's Tribunal Indicts Bush Administration for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, " US newswire ^ | 1/9/06

JANUARY 10, 2006 : (LEFTIES & MOCK INDICTMENTS & NION-ORGANIZED ICICAHCBA BOGUS TRIBUNAL #1-- See CCR, RATNER, MCGOVERN{VIPS})

To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor
Contact: Connie Julian, 917-449-9064, Janet Yip 212-941-8086 or commission@nion.us
News Advisory:

From: International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration [ ICICAHCBA]

WHEN: January 10, 2006 at 1:30 p.m.
WHERE: The White House, Walk-in Gate, across from Lafayette Park
WEBSITE: http://www.bushcommission.org

An unprecedented series of indictments alleging war crimes and crimes against humanity, in five separate areas, on moral, political, and legal grounds, will be delivered by a citizens' tribunal to President Bush at the front gate of the White House this Tuesday, January 10th. Named in the indictments are: President of the United States George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, U.S. Army Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, U.S. Army Major General Geoffrey Miller, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, et al. The indictments will be delivered to the White House by: Retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern [* MY NOTE: VIPS MEMBER, see NIGERFLAP, VALERIE PLAME CIA LEAK], authors William Blum and Larry Everest, Code Pink, Mike Hersh (Progressive Democrats of America/After Downing Street), Kevin Zeese (Director, Democracy Rising; candidate for U.S. Senate in Maryland), Travis Morales (World Can't Wait -- Drive Out the Bush Regime) and others TBA.
A press conference will follow delivery of indictments, which will also be delivered to the Department of Justice.
The indictments result from preparatory work and testimony presented in New York City in October 2005, before the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration which featured former UN envoy to Iraq Denis Halliday, Guantanamo prisoners' lawyer Michael Ratner, and former State Department officer Ann Wright. The Commission's second tribunal will be held at Riverside Church and the Columbia University Law School[see BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, AL KHALIDI] in New York, January 20- 22. Witnesses will include Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski [* MY NOTE: Abu Ghraib slacker], former British ambassador Craig Murray, and former arms inspector Scott Ritter, among many more. The indictments allege war crimes and crimes against humanity authorized by the Bush Administration in relation to:

1) Wars of Aggression, particular reference to Iraq and Afghanistan;

2) Torture and Indefinite Detention;

3) Destruction of the Global Environment, particular reference to distortion of science and obstruction of international efforts to stem global warming;

4) Attacks on Global Public Health and Reproductive Rights, particular reference to the potentially genocidal effects of enforcing abstinence only, global gag rule, distortion of science, and restriction of generic drugs; and

5) Failure of Bush administration, despite foreknowledge, to protect life during and after Hurricane Katrina.

Appended to these indictments will be the demand for investigation of the war crimes of Tony Blair and George Bush submitted by prominent British citizens to the UN Secretary General and the UK Attorney General.
The commission was organized by the Not in Our Name Statement of Conscience and is endorsed by: Center for Constitutional Rights, National Lawyers Guild, After Downing Street.org and others, including Former Sen. James Abourezk, former British MP Tony Benn, authors Gore Vidal and Howard Zinn, poet Lawrence Ferlinghetti, and actor Edward Asner.
Charter, full indictments, standards for judgment, and audio and video coverage of the first session:
http://www.bushcommission.org
---- "Citizen's Tribunal Indicts Bush Administration for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, " US newswire ^ | 1/9/06

2002 : (WOODS FUND GRANTS AAAN $35,000--- see MONA KHALIDI {see her husband PROFESSOR RASHID KHALIDI }; also see AYERS {see WEATHER UNDERGROUND} ; also see B H OBAMA) The [Woods] Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002. ------ "Obama worked with terrorist ," BY Aaron Klein , wnd, 2/24/2008
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The [Woods] Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002. Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. ...(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
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The board of a nonprofit organization [The Woods Fund] on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens. The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group. ------ "Obama worked with terrorist ," BY Aaron Klein , wnd, 2/24/2008 JERUSALEM

19 posted on 11/14/2008 8:43:07 PM PST by piasa (How's that change workin' for ya?)
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To: Red Steel

To think that if those guys were simply capped on the battlefield nobody would give two flips about them.

Again the loony left seeks to create constitutional rights that don’t exist or for those for whom they’ve never existed, meanwhile seeking to get rid of those constitutional rights which have existed for centuries.

Anyways, here’s the fundamental problem with the US circa 2008. We’re fighting a 7th century enemy but we’re expecting them to behave according to 20th/21st century rules. Absurd. The Geneva Convention is meant for nation-states and their armies. Because al-Qaida cares so much about battlefield etiquette, we must tie ourselves in politically correct left wing knots instead of grabbing the shotgun and putting the rabid dog out of its misery.

If everything isn’t just rainbows and unicorns then the left pulls a hissy fit. Unless you are willing to get your hands dirty, you aren’t going to survive in this world. 7th century enemies call for 7th century tactics. You may speak the language of reason and human rights, but they speak the language of conquest and submission. Oh, and they don’t much care for the “rights” of gays and women. How about this...the jihadis get to move in with us and all you lefties get to live under their rules. Think of it as a cool new reality TV series. Survivor: Islamerica.


20 posted on 11/14/2008 8:44:35 PM PST by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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