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1 posted on 11/14/2008 6:21:11 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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As opposed to “fiscal fundamentalists” who have given us a national debt of $10,625,198,211,000.00, with a falling GDP and increasing unemployment!

Way to go, RINOs!


31 posted on 11/14/2008 7:08:29 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
You can't do anything without us Christie, except lose...
33 posted on 11/14/2008 7:12:19 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Palin/Jindal '12---Now dog gone it, you betcha!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Because America needs two Democrat Parties - Left and Lefter.
35 posted on 11/14/2008 7:13:48 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's time to take back the GOP from the left-wing, eastern elites! They're killing the party!

Find out who the poobahs are in your State.

NO MORE OPEN PRIMARIES!
36 posted on 11/14/2008 7:14:48 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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Yes, Whitman’s going the wrong direction.

But for my own sanity, can someone refute her numbers for me? She says McCain lost 6.4 million moderate votes. OK, but didn’t McCain also lose because conservatives didn’t vote? Anyone have a link to that analysis?


38 posted on 11/14/2008 7:17:44 AM PST by ReaganGeneration
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” — Thomas Jefferson

What the Public Education ‘system’ teaches

Young and Ignorant — and Voting

At least, you may think to yourself, we are not getting any dumber. But by some measures we are. Young people by many measures know less today than young people forty years ago. And their news habits are worse. Newspaper reading went out in the sixties along with the Hula Hoop. Just 20% of young Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 read a daily paper. And that isn’t saying much. There’s no way of knowing what part of the paper they’re reading. It is likelier to encompass the comics and a quick glance at the front page.

Young people today find the news irrelevant. Bored by politics, students shun the rituals of civic life, voting in lower numbers than other Americans (though a small up-tick in civic participation showed up in recent surveys). U.S. Census data indicate that voters aged 18 to 24 turn out in low numbers. In 1972, when 18 year olds got the vote, 52% cast a ballot. In subsequent years, far fewer voted: in 1988, 40%; in 1992, 50%; in 1996, 35%; in 2000, 36%. In 2004, despite the most intense get-out-the-vote effort ever focused on young people, just 47% took the time to cast a ballot.

Rick Shenkman


40 posted on 11/14/2008 7:19:14 AM PST by IrishMike (Barry Soetoro has demonstrated that he is a shenanigans man !)
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I would argue that the upper class members like Whitman (which create the “party of the rich” stereotype) are far more of a problem for the Republican Party than social conservatives. Remember that Hispanics and blacks in California supported the anti-gay marriage ballot measure even more than white people did.


41 posted on 11/14/2008 7:19:57 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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Clueless. I'm not even that socially conservative, but there can be no electoral victory without the conservative fusion of libertarian-leaners, social conservatives, and fiscal conservatives. Social conservatism is a non-negotiable aspect of the Republican party - unless you want to lose to Democrats forever. GOP minus social conservatives might get 25% of the vote, tops. We would be cannibalized by third-party efforts and crippled by a huge portion of traditional GOP voters simply staying home (it has happened before and would happen again).

If the current brand of social conservatism turns off too many moderates, the answer to calls that the GOP wants to 'legislate morality' is to perform a subtle shift in methods (not a shift in conviction) - we direct our efforts more to stopping the government from legislating immorality, and couch the argument in terms of freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and so on. The same end folks - depravity only exists in such quantities by our sponsoring of it and its fruit. Failure is self-limiting when not subsidized. This is the core reason why the fusion makes sense - that we all agree that bad behavior (exists and) should not be rewarded or condoned, and that good behavior should be at least met with its natural rewards. Differences exist with the details, but we all agree on those grounds. The Democrats do not, the left does not.

This shift would not turn off moderates, and would help consolidate the other legs of the conservative movement (by highlighting policies at the confluence of our shared goals). A turn to federalism would further consolidate the party on all fronts, and be abstract enough not to cause mushy moderates to flee to the Democrats.

The main problem was (and is) that the GOP drifted on a host of issues, and self-proclamations of fiscal responsibility (for example) rang hollow - people hate hypocrisy, and the Republicans delivered it in spades on several fronts with trillions in DEFICITS (not even debts!!!). The media was handed trillions of rounds of ammunition, and bought from us miles of rope.

Smaller federal government, less federal spending, lower federal taxes, ample latitude left available to state governments, responsible and transparent monetary policy, and a renewed push toward personal responsibility. Opt-outs for entitlement programs, resetting federal policies on a host of morality issues to the null position (knowing full well that states occupied by moral people will adopt moral policies, while other states will wallow in filth and depravity without dragging the rest of us down).

If Obama follows a Clintonian style of not rocking the boat too much, the major problem the GOP will face is convincing the electorate that it can deliver on these fronts - and not instead deliver what it did when it recently controlled all branches of federal government - don't give me that BS about not having a filibuster-proof majority; those years were squandered, that political capital was wasted, that mandate was spent on bread and circuses. Two SC judges and a tax cut aside, it was 6 years of waste and 2 years of insanity.

That new style of "big-government" Wilsonian Republican party was a total failure, a throw-back to the Democrats of the 1960's. Back to basics, back to Reagan and Goldwater.

42 posted on 11/14/2008 7:20:41 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's women like Christine Todd Witless that further proves that the 19th Amendment was a HUGH mistake and should be repealed.



43 posted on 11/14/2008 7:21:27 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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WTF
Is she just miffed that the GOP has not yet identified itself as a babykiller party, like the jackass party has?
Can you imagine her stomping her feet in a tantrum, "Why can't we be like them?!! Why can't we?!!!
47 posted on 11/14/2008 7:56:34 AM PST by XR7
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Christine Todd Whitman can go any time she wants.


48 posted on 11/14/2008 8:00:49 AM PST by bmwcyle (Primary support for McCain and Huck showed complete stupidity)
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To: wmfights; P-Marlowe; Conservativegreatgrandma; enat

These are the people who we want to finance.

Riiight!


49 posted on 11/14/2008 8:04:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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ebay under her espoused Net Neutrality censorship.

ebay under her espoused the view that man is basically good. Just look at the behavior of the anti-Prop 8 folks and draw your own second opinion.


52 posted on 11/14/2008 8:20:13 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Oh come on Christy I know you left out God and Guns. Please spare me.


54 posted on 11/14/2008 8:23:57 AM PST by therut
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Coming from the woman who barley beat the hated Florio and then barley beat the closeted swish McSveevey.


56 posted on 11/14/2008 8:31:09 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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Chris, I’d be more inclined to listen to the policy prescriptions of northeastern moderates if they were winning on their own turf. How’s that workin’ for ya?


58 posted on 11/14/2008 8:43:12 AM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
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You know, maybe Christine is right.

We SHOULD “free” the GOP. The conservative base, Reaganites, constitutionalists, “hockey moms,” and the rest of us “unwashed” should “free” the GOP of their support. They should be free to take a flying leap.

Mark


59 posted on 11/14/2008 8:45:36 AM PST by MarkL
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

When will these idiots learn you can be both socially and fiscally and constitutionally conservative at the same time!

Conservative philosophy is unified, not divided into parts.


61 posted on 11/14/2008 8:57:16 AM PST by JSDude1 (PAUL BROUN for House Republican Minority Leader..Mike Pence for conference chair!)
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The rights of the unborn and protection of the institution of marriage are things we hold very dear, and there is no way in HELL we will relinquish them for the sake of a bunch of whiney RINOS, Christine.

I would suggest it is people like YOU who have damaged the party the most, and it is people like YOU who need to be handed their hats and shown the door.


63 posted on 11/14/2008 9:09:00 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Obama, you are NOT my President!)
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I’d like to suggest four necessary conditions for conservatives to regain control of the GOP and eliminate the destructive RINO domination.

1. GOP registration required to vote for GOP candidates so that crossover voters do not select our candidates in primaries.
2. Move primaries up in several large conservative states so that RINO-infested northeastern states no longer chose our presidential candidate.
3. Allot delegates to the GOP convention from each state based on the number of registered GOP voters in that state. Just because a state has a big population does not get you more delegates to the GOP convention- Dark blue states should not choose our candidate.
4. Divide the delegates from a state between candidates based on primary results- No more winner-take-all primaries.


64 posted on 11/14/2008 10:05:26 AM PST by Rockitz (NObama 2008- Strange we ain't believin')
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