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1 posted on 11/13/2008 6:49:14 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
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To: Keyes2000mt

I’ve been wondering how many of these “evangelicals” voted for Obama.


2 posted on 11/13/2008 6:51:25 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Keyes2000mt

It’s called sarcasm. Perhaps irony.


3 posted on 11/13/2008 6:52:00 PM PST by DrGunsforHands
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To: Keyes2000mt

I think perhaps, he’s come to the conclusion that the Phoenix Effect is what we need to aim for. Stop trying to save this burning wreck. Throw gas it so we can start rebuilding sooner. The current artifice is *not* fixable.


4 posted on 11/13/2008 6:52:04 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: Keyes2000mt
The article by Thomas made a lot of sense.

We waste all of this time, money, energy, blood, sweat and tears fight all of these mini-battles yet ulitimately lose ground, and the war. For example, if FOCA is passed, then all of the thousands of little "battles" on the local, state and national level waged by those who believe in LIFE will have been rendered void.

I the West in general, and America in particular, we have a poverty in our hearts, minds and souls. It is in the hearts, minds and souls where we must win these "battles" then ultimately the war.

Until we convert a majority - or at least a significant number - to any perceived progress will be fleeting.

5 posted on 11/13/2008 7:05:54 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Maybe if we all go live in caves and don’t say anything controversial, our socialist masters will leave us alone...


6 posted on 11/13/2008 7:08:26 PM PST by Funee Kat
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To: Keyes2000mt

Well, one man, one vote, Cal Thomas is one man.

‘Nuff said.


7 posted on 11/13/2008 7:09:19 PM PST by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Cal Thomas is a A$$

He once wrote a book attacking the “Christian Right”

On Fox News watch, 1 or 2 years ago...Thomas said the NY Times is the best newspaper in the country. He said sooner or later they always get it right. He was not being sarcastic either.


8 posted on 11/13/2008 7:17:24 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (TINA FEY WISHES SHE LOOKED LIKE SARAH PALIN. FEY IS HOMELY, SARAH IS KNOCKOUT DROP DEAD GORGEOUS)
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To: Keyes2000mt
Cal has been nestled in the NYC/DC axis of evil for so long that he must be on his third creepy toupee.

He sits on that media panel group all comfy and cozy while he and his boring peers end up defending the media no matter how outrageous it is. The show makes me want to have some tea and scones with clotted cream while I'm watching it.

Cal has no fire left in the belly and reserves his energy for churning out millions of words every month in publications no one reads.

I'd like to start a thread sometime on the conservative dorks who have squatter's rights on political panels.....and their main goal is to hang on tight till they're 80 plus tax and tip.

Fred Barnes is one that comes readily to mind. He'll be boring folks to death on the All Stars till they replace him with some exciting young stuff like Henry Kissinger.

Leni

9 posted on 11/13/2008 7:22:16 PM PST by MinuteGal
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It seems to me that Mr. Thomas continues what he has been doing for a decade: trying to distance himself from his past association with the dearly departed Jerry Falwell.


11 posted on 11/13/2008 7:59:29 PM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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I can see from where Cal is coming. Too often we get all high and mighty and forget about the single mom in our midst who is struggling to pay rent, and we say 'be warm and well fed'.

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle - we certainly don't want to roll over while our freedom (religious or otherwise) is taken away, but in the midst of the heat of battle, don't forget to smile at the person bagging your groceries, and have a meaningful conversation with them - they are human beings, too, and they probably make a fraction of what you make.

12 posted on 11/13/2008 8:15:41 PM PST by Pushead (We're over here by QWERTY.... thanks Phil.)
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Yes! Amen & Amen! Well written and right on target! I respect Cal Thomas and I am glad he is doing what he does; but I also must support the Holy Scriptures as you have referred to in Romans chapter 13. And as Dr, James Dobson of "Focus on the Family" reminds us, we have a participant form of government. we must take part, even it is only in prayer. Our God has established the family, the Church, and nations, and all authority in our nation, and we rejoice, worship and praise Him for it.
14 posted on 11/13/2008 8:27:50 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: Keyes2000mt
Abraham Kuyper bump!

"For there is not one square inch of our entire human life over which Christ, Who is Lord of All, does not proclaim, 'Mine!'"

The Old Testament, esp. Kings and Chronicles but also the prophesies, are replete with prosperity, decadence, bondage, repentence, and prosperity. There are Ahabs and Josiahs. Democracy or monarchy, God gives us the leaders He pleases.

At present, we have been sliding into decadence for a very long time. The hope and prayer of Christians should be that God will use the coming hardships to sober us up a bit, to flee to the cross, to study His Word. Read the Psalms - many of them are esp. clear right now. Better yet, sing them from the Psalter!

Be watchful. Pray for our leaders - yes, even President-Elect Obama. Read the signs and prepare accordingly. God is faithful to those who love Him!

15 posted on 11/13/2008 10:30:27 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Keyes2000mt
Cal Thomas makes an excellent point. The religious right concentrates far too heavily on using the power of government to change culture. Government does very few things well, and changing an entire culture is nowhere near a feasible task for it, I can assure you. Christ's ministry was about touching the people directly, not about organizing political pressure groups to change laws. In fact, in his time, the Roman government had any number of unspeakably unjust and immoral laws, yet Jesus did not see fit to challenge any of them. In the same way that liberal Christians are misguided when they seek the application of government solutions to biblically inspired imperatives (feeding the hungry, helping the poor, healing the sick), so conservative Christians are misguided in seeking government solutions to their biblically inspired imperatives.

Bottom line is, the government is not going to make this country more Christian (either in belief or behavior). Relying on it as the primary tool to accomplish cultural change is foolish, not biblical, and not terribly conservative. Cal Thomas should be applauded for realizing this.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 3:32:28 AM PST by BearArms (Arm yourself because no one else here will save you)
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I’m sorry, but I cannot agree with you, though your argument is cogent and well-written.

In my humble opinion, Cal Thomas makes a lot of sense in his piece. There was a time when religion was the cornerstone upon which a political career was built, but that is no longer the case. Who knows, it may be again some day - I pray that it is - but for now it is not and we should recognize that.

If the country were choosing between two conservative nominees - one a social liberal and one a social conservative - then fine, make religion part of your platform. But when the alternative is a Marxist, who threatens to shred everything we believe is good and right about government, we cannot afford to let religion weigh the party down. Like it or not, many voters see those with a deep, abiding faith as a threat to their own personal liberties, seeking to impose the tenets of their religion upon all Americans. They have been rejecting this as another form of tyranny.

And most to the point is Thomas’ argument that Evangelicals accomplish little or nothing through elected office. I believe, as he does, that hearts and minds are best changed outside of the legislative process.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 5:22:15 AM PST by StatenIsland (The '08 Election: It's about the survival of our country, not making a point...)
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