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Posted on 11/13/2008 6:05:11 PM PST by Pinkbell
I guess the issue that got you flamed was your comments were not suitable for a prayer thread.
I missed that thread. The only way I would pray for obama would be to ask God to open his obama’s heart to Jesus.
Stranger things have happened. St. Paul persecuted the Christians before his conversion. St. Augustine loved wine, women, and song before his conversion. No doubt there are others as well. Yes, I admit it is a long shot but the Love and Mercy of God is infinite.
“It’s after the election, therefore, not a ‘political campaign’.”
What about the part of the law that says “attempting, to influence legislation”
“And this law is unjust, un-Constitutional, and should be repealed.”
I don’t dispute the constitutionality of the law. If someone takes it to court and the courts rule it unconstitutional, then it can be ignored. But until that happens, it is the law and this priest violated it.
Start in the East in SC and let’s hope this happens in every single Diocese in the country!
Good for Rev. Newman. As a South Carolinian,I am proud of his stand. As a Baptist Minister, I deeply wish we would hear more of this kind of courage and conviction from Baptist pulpits.
This priest is absolutely correct. It is and always was a mortal sin to vote for any manifestly wicked, violent, unjust person for public office. Since Obama is a manifestly wicked, violent, unjust person, what the priest told his parishioners is manifestly true.
Anyone who says that this is somehow incompatible with the church’s tax exemption is attempting to get the government to dictate to the church what it may teach and what it may not teach.
The IRS has no more business telling this priest that he cannot tell his parishioners that it’s a mortal sin to vote for Obama than it has telling him he cannot tell them that it’s a mortal sin to have an abortion, miss Mass on Sunday, or hop three times on one’s right foot. It is simply none of the government’s business what a priest tells his parishioners about anything.
Barney Frank is Jewish, so he doesn’t “have” a priest. At least not any good-looking ones who can do better.
Massachusetts is thoroughly, irretrievably post-Catholic, post-Christian, and post-civilized.
Actually, the Pope has, more than once, said the same thing. As have about a dozen bishops in the U.S. That’s a dozen out of 300.
My beef with the Church regarding abortion is based on realism. They dangle the abortion issue like a carrot in front of us with no historical perspective whatsoever. There is this overriding assumption that Republicans will ever do anything about abortion.
What about the fact that 6 of the 9 judges on the Burger court were Republican appointed judges and that 5 of those Republican judges ruled in favor of Roe v. Wade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
Why am I supposed to believe that if we stack the Supreme Court 2 to 1 Republican again that anything will be done about abortion?
What federal laws have ever been passed to end abortion? Even when we had The executive and both houses of congress in 2003 a “partial-birth” abortion ban was put in place. Guess what, it stopped zero abortions. It specifically outlawed intact dilation and extraction and said NOTHING about ending the life of the baby by other means.
After the law was passed, doctors simply stopped the procedure, left the baby in the uterus and used long needles to inject lethal drugs directly into the baby’s hearts. Why would the Republicans do this? It stopped no abortions. I believe it was nothing more than a token placation of the conservative voter.
So we previously had a 2 to 1 majoriy on the Supreme Court and got the legalization of abortion. We had the White House, the House and the Senate in 2003, nothing but a token gesture. Conclusion? They don’t give a damn. Yes, I have become cynical.
Lastly, I looked at abortion statistics over administrations. After legalization in 1973, reported abortions increased and then plateued in 1980.
They slowly increased 60,000 per year under Reagan’s 8 years. They decreased by 60,000 under George HW Bush and decreased by 25,000 under George W Bush.
How much did they decrease by the end of Clinton’s 8 years? 250,000 according to the CDC.
http://www.christianliferesources.com/?/library/view.php&articleid=1042
Now how can Republican politicians and judges claim any moral high ground and for whom can the pro-life conservative voter support with history and facts like these?
I have had people walk on my preaching—but ONLY when the subject was: Abortion is evil; politicians who support abortion are wicked; it is a sin to choose to be governed by people who are manifestly wicked people.
There is something about this one subject that makes people feel totally entitled to defy the Church, walk out of church, and rant in public about how priests should not “meddle in politics.” It’s called No-Brain Syndrome.
I don't believe you're Catholic.
Back in the early 70s in elementary school, we had to say the Lord’s Prayer after the pledge every morning...or else.
[for a woman in a wheelchair, Mrs Frantz could sure get around the room really fast and swat you]....:))
God bless her soul.
The next year in middle school, there was none of that, any more.
God was taken out of the schools and the devil filled the void.
To pray for Life is laudable, but to place your own understanding over another’s, as this priest has done, is not.
There are many issues of urgent concern to the Church. Certainly, abortion is one. But to say it is the only one, and everyone’s political decisions must be made in accordance with it?
That is not acceptable.
Please keep going, Arthur. You're on a roll!!
Do I need to produce my scapular, name the 15 mysteries of the rosary (plus the new luminous), tell you my confirmation name, tell you how many times I got drunk on the church wine after serving mass in grade school, about the nun that put me in a trash can in second grade for talking too much, the millions of tenderloins and fries I served at Bingo in the 7th and 8th grade? What will it take?
I am referring to the contrast between Catholic and CINO.
Amazing. I don't understand the disconnect. Satan is really at work, and gaining fast. How can people think of abortion as "politics"?
I heard a black woman on a talk radio show this evening saying that she voted Obama but she is totally against abortion, but is for the right to chose. Talk about a disconnect.
thank you for that info
The Law of God outranks any law of man.
“I feel like such a failure as a Christian.....I just can’t bring myself to include him in my prayer.”
Pray that God will grant the man repentance and cause him to change his thinking. That way you are jut praying for another lost sinner. BTW - Many of us are having the same problem brother. However, I can always pray for a lost man’s soul.
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