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Obama Transition Team Examines Congestion Tax
The Newspaper.com ^ | November 12, 2008

Posted on 11/12/2008 10:04:56 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter

British newspapers report that President-elect Barack Obama (D) may import congestion charging programs from the UK. Jack Opiola, a transportation principal for the firm Booz, Allen and Hamilton, was hired to design a program to tax drivers at least £5 (US $8) when entering the city of Manchester during peak hours. Opiola told the Manchester Evening News yesterday that the president-elect's transition team approached him for additional details on the plan.

"I was 'noticed' by key people in the Obama campaign and I have been providing input to his strategy team in Chicago, including information about Greater Manchester's bid," Opiola said.

If approved in a referendum later this month, drivers entering an 80 square mile section of Manchester would be subject to the charge. The program would generate £120 million (US $180 million) in annual profit. A similar program in London cost drivers £268 million (US $408 million) and failed to provide promised reductions in congestion, according to Transport for London data (view report).

Until now, Senator Obama has been circumspect when discussing his administration's transportation plans. Previously, his most specific proposal was the creation of a $60 billion toll road bank (view details). In March, Obama endorsed New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's idea to charge a $9 toll on cars and a $22 toll for trucks that enter downtown Manhattan during working hours.

Hoping to fill the gap with specifics, the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) last month submitted a detailed $544 billion transportation reauthorization proposal designed to encourage the new administration to shore up the domestic economy with heavy spending on infrastructure projects. The new programs would be paid for with massive new tax hikes, including a per-mile driving tax that would begin with "proof of concept" trials as early as 2010. The tax would initially be one cent per mile and generate $32.4 billion a year. An extra one cent per gallon in the federal gasoline tax would generate another $1.8 billion, and a national sales tax on cars of one percent would generate $7.6 billion.

"With this historic election, AASHTO is optimistic that the new administration can help to foster the political will necessary to bridge the gap between today's transportation needs and the transportation system we must build for tomorrow," the group said in a statement.

Source: Obama team study c-charge (Manchester Evening News (UK), 11/12/2008)


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To: Presbyterian Reporter

The new programs would be paid for with massive new tax hikes, including a per-mile driving tax that would begin with “proof of concept” trials as early as 2010.


That’s not “congestion pricing” at all. I live in a rural area where I have to drive more miles, and there is zero congestion. But he expects to tax me per mile in the name of congestion?


21 posted on 11/12/2008 10:20:10 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I’m so thankful we elected Obama President. All of these wonderfully creative tax plans would surely have been ignored by the Republicans if they were elected.

With Obama we’ll get to see new groundbreaking tax schemes! Woopeee !!!


22 posted on 11/12/2008 10:23:28 AM PST by o2bfree
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The best way to reduce the cost of everything is to clear the Washington DC federal government of at least half its workers.

Talking to older people here in DC who are long-time residents, they tell me the growth of the area has been huge since they were kids. Up until fairly recently, the suburbs around DC were farming and horse communities. DC, at its height, had about 800,000 residents. We're down to about 550,000 now, but the DC metro area is about 4.5 million. A huge part of that growth has been driven by the growing size of the Federal government. Before WWII, DC was kind of a backwater Southern town for most of the year.

23 posted on 11/12/2008 10:24:30 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Da Coyote

ping


24 posted on 11/12/2008 10:26:32 AM PST by Glacier Honey (`)
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To: NTegraT

I read on FR quite a while ago that SanFran and NYC were already considering this. I think SanFran was even testing the idea but I have not heard anything about it since


25 posted on 11/12/2008 10:28:23 AM PST by Glacier Honey (`)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Maybe somebody will suggest to 0 that if he taxes travel into cities, there will be less traffic into big cities, which will speed the exodus of businesses from the big cities, which in turn will speed the death of big cities, which are the source of most of his votes.

Or not.

His advisers don’t seem capable of thinking past their singular Big Ideas to actually consider the consequences of them. It’s like they get this Big Idea and it’s so mesmerizing that it freezes their brains.


26 posted on 11/12/2008 10:31:29 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Koblenz
And of course you'd need electronic payment methods that wouldn't mean you'd sit in a line for 20 minutes to hand some idiot 50 cents.

0bama supporters/voters are going to need jobs. They expect jobs. The 0bamessiah said he'd give them jobs, and by golly the Marxist in Chief is going to do it, even if he has to bankrupt and run out of business as many businesses as he can.

27 posted on 11/12/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

It’ll be a rude awakening when that socialist MF realizes that the White House doesn’t write traffic laws and parking regulations...

It may likewise be a rude awakening from some of the brain-dead who voted for him.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 10:32:24 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: rabscuttle385

“”””All that must be done is to require auto owners to install a “black box” in their car as a condition of registration...or pay a hefty fine.

Combine them with the power to remotely disable vehicles from central locations, promoted as a means of reducing auto theft and other crimes, and, well, you have part of the foundation for a police state.””””

My old capitalist brain is really slow I see. Thanks for warning us old codgers how Obama will spin his plan to put a tracking device on all cars.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 10:33:12 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

here comes more light rail . end of the line is at the high-density ,inner city , central planned housing.

paging Willie.


30 posted on 11/12/2008 10:35:21 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: All

We shouldnt be surprised by this latest surge in Anti-American Globalism

Bush had been allowing states to sell toll road to private companies....in effect raising tolls on those roads....while planning to take free access roads and sell them to private companies and turn them into toll roads

Its a big push by the Anti-American Globalists to put tolls on entering cities...and to sell public roads to private firms to raise taxes. Both systems will be quite destructive on the US economy


31 posted on 11/12/2008 10:38:49 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (2010: A RINO Purge Odyssey)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
COUGH!!

Yes, this is a double entendre...

32 posted on 11/12/2008 10:46:51 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher; Obama is America's George Galloway.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

“The total collapse of the American economy will do wonders in reducing vehicle congestion and traffic.”

But the subsequent increase in sidewalk congestion will be worse.


33 posted on 11/12/2008 10:49:24 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Brother, can ya spare a...a...a mortgage payment?)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

???

I doubt a federal tax on entering a particular state’s cities would pass a constitutional test.


34 posted on 11/12/2008 11:04:29 AM PST by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Glacier Honey
All this means is that there's a new way of separating you from your money and all they have to do for it is build and man tollbooths. NYC mayor supposedly wants to toll all major bridges. Maybe the minor briges will become major ones after this. If it's too crowded, close streets to traffic rather than discriminate against those who can't pay. Only the rich can go into the cities. Oh wait, the poor are already there.

Yep, the businesses just move out and public transit becomes less and less a viable alternative.

35 posted on 11/12/2008 11:09:51 AM PST by NTegraT (USSA? Say it ain't so.)
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To: VaBthang4
"I doubt a federal tax on entering a particular state’s cities would pass a constitutional test."

But the Constitution is a living, breathing and evolving document, particularly if you have the right judges in there making the rules.

36 posted on 11/12/2008 11:11:53 AM PST by NTegraT (Ready to RULE on Day One.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials

IF you all will pardon my language, I can't conceive of a more appropriate name for a committee like this than "ASSHAT-O". Wonder if that's what they put on their business cards?

Or did I read it wrong?

37 posted on 11/12/2008 11:18:47 AM PST by wbill
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To: Koblenz

There is already a penalty to drive into the city during peak times - it takes longer and requires you to burn more gas. You seem to be saying that people are not smart enough to realize this so the government has to reinforce this idea with high taxes.

If people can work flexible hours they will not drive during the heaviest commute time. I guarantee they are already doing that. I do it myself.

What is galling about leftist transportation policy is it always addresses demand and not supply. Like energy policy, the only thing keeping us from achieving Nirvana is the people’s bad attitude.

“Can’t build our way out of the transportation mess.”

“Can’t drill our way out of the oil mess.”

Sound similar?

We need to start looking at real solutions by increasing supply. Lefty social engineering will never solve our problems.


38 posted on 11/12/2008 11:21:18 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
There is already a penalty to drive into the city during peak times - it takes longer and requires you to burn more gas. You seem to be saying that people are not smart enough to realize this so the government has to reinforce this idea with high taxes.

Not everyone values their time at the same rate. The whole point of a congestion tax is so that only those who are willing to pay the most will use the roads at peak times.

39 posted on 11/12/2008 11:38:16 AM PST by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Ok, why is the idiot President-Elect of the United States busy thinking like an urban mayor??

It's not a city, govern the NATION.

40 posted on 11/12/2008 11:41:13 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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