Skip to comments.Dan Walters: Surge for Obama sealed Prop. 8's victory
Posted on 11/11/2008 9:51:12 AM PST by SmithL
Supporters of same-sex marriage rights are fuming over California voters' approval of Proposition 8, which would place a ban on such marriages in the state constitution especially since in other respects voters showed a somewhat left-of-center bent, including a massive victory by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Ironically, however, a mathematical analysis of voting and exit poll data indicates very strongly that it was exactly that pro-Obama surge that spelled victory for Proposition 8.
When Proposition 8's passage first became apparent, it was widely assumed that hundreds of thousands of first-time or occasional voters had turned out to vote for Obama, then left the rest of their ballots blank, thus allowing more conservative voters to dominate ballot measures.
In fact, however, there was very little voting drop-off. There are still some late absentee and provisional ballots to be counted, but as of Monday, 10.96 million votes had been tallied in the presidential race and 10.85 million for and against Proposition 8.
The only conclusion, therefore, is that as Obama was running up a 2.6 million-vote victory over Republican John McCain in California twice the margins by which Democrats won in 2000 and 2004 a great many Obama voters were also voting for Proposition 8, sponsored by a very conservative religious coalition.
Proposition 8, in fact, garnered 1.6 million more votes than McCain received. And, it's apparent, many of those votes enough to make the difference came from African American and Latino voters drawn to the polls by Obamamania.
An overwhelming, but not surprising, 94 percent of the former supported Obama, exit polling indicated, while 74 percent of Latinos voted for the winner. But 70 percent of African Americans also voted for Proposition 8, as did 53 percent of Latino voters.
Turnout made the difference.
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Blacks voted against the gays. Irony is priceless.
So did Hispanics.
Prop 8 will be overturned. And if it isn’t, we’ll see a Hollywood onslaught that shames the population into doing their bidding.
What a sick nation we have.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
so what’s their excuse for the other 2 times gay marriage type proposals were defeated. there was no obama on the ballot then.
Here's the story:
Prop. 8 asks voters to affirm that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California" - a concept that voters overwhelmingly backed when they approved Proposition 22 in 2000.
Voters still favor the traditional definition of marriage, 49 to 47 percent, according to the most recent Public Policy Institute of California poll.
However, in the wake of the state Supreme Court decision in May legalizing same-sex marriage, Brown worded Prop. 8's ballot description to specify that it "eliminates the right of same-sex couples to marry."
The proponents' original title for Prop. 8 was "Limit on Marriage." What voters see on their ballot pamphlet, thanks to Brown, is, "Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry."
Prop. 8 supporters accused Brown of playing politics and went to court.
They lost. The new language went on the ballot, and pollsters said support for the ban dropped by eight points - with the most recent PPIC survey showing 52 percent of likely voters now opposing the ban.
"It all depends on how you ask the question," said Sacramento pollster Jim Moore of J. Moore Methods.
"When you ask people what they believe, you get one answer," he said. "But when you ask someone to take away something from somebody else, it seems unfair."
Field Institute pollster Mark DiCamillo agreed, noting that when his outfit tested the two wordings in September, support for Prop. 8 was three points lower on Brown's version than the original.
As the state's top law enforcer, Brown has taken no official position on Prop. 8.
Whats funny is that according to Rush the week before the election, The Zero was still running ads in CA in attempt to pad his national numbers and lift congressional candidates. If he had ignored CA it might have failed.
Exit polls are always screwy, but only 53% of Hispanics voted for #8. What happened to all those “natural conservatives” were heard about from those wanting us to support amnesty.
Well if they overturn Prop *8 just my opinion I think GOD will rein divine punishment on our great state, 8000 lightning strikes will seem like firework sparklers in comparrison....
The people of California did not deny one Homosexual a right to marry....They can marry just like the rest of us.
Just because you might have a psychotic attraction to your own sex or your pet pig does not mean you can change the definition of Marriage to suit your idiotic attraction flair...
My 2 cents..
As Tolkein said “Oft times evil will, evil mars”
They cut their own throat just out of pure spite, this is choc a bloc full of irony....
And as long as gays equate their phony struggle to the Civil Rights Movement, blacks will always vote against the gays.
If Gays knew there history they would know that the Black Population came through slavery with there strong beliefs in a Holy GOD...Most of our great old gospel songs came from bible believing black folk...
Gays many of them need to get there heads out of whose ever backside, so they can see the world in reality...
The Lord sure works in mysterious ways ;)..!
Did anyone else notice the disconnect between the public’s stance on issues and whom they ended up voting for in this election?
This is a great example—most blacks (in CA, at least) are against gay marriage, but they voted for Obama, who is in favor of it.
On the whole, most Americans are against illegal immigration and for domestic drilling, but their Presidential choice is at odds with them on both issues.
I suspect the list could go on . . .
“Exit polls are always screwy, but only 53% of Hispanics voted for #8. What happened to all those natural conservatives were heard about from those wanting us to support amnesty.”
Exactly. And, Blacks do not want another minority group to compete with for the public spoils.
“Ironically, however, a mathematical analysis of voting and exit poll data indicates very strongly that it was exactly that pro-Obama surge that spelled victory for Proposition 8.”
Are you listening Ellen Degeneres?
The militant homosexual lobby has so artfully hijacked the rhetoric of genuine civil rights. That rhetoric has been cynically misapplied to the homosexual agenda, which includes mandated moral relativism, social androgyny and not just full acceptance, but celebration of a pleasure-based, sexually deviant lifestyle.
If you can maintain control of undeveloped and impressionable youth and spoon-feed them misinformation, lies and half-truths about dangerous, disordered and extremely risky behaviors, then you can control the future and ensure that those behaviors are not only fully accepted, but celebrated
Freedom of speech must never be suppressed, except for criticism directed at minorities, non-Christian religions, homosexuals, communists, illegal aliens, and other constituencies of the Democrat party.
We still suffer from the same 1960’s juvenile petulance when the powers that be did not immediately fall in line as protesters demanded.
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