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1 posted on 11/09/2008 11:13:31 AM PST by tobyhill
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Of course. He’s indebted to the UAW.


2 posted on 11/09/2008 11:15:16 AM PST by conservativeinbflo.
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Obama’s fault.


3 posted on 11/09/2008 11:16:30 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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Once Obama-economics are instituted, you won’t need pickup trucks. There won’t be any work.


4 posted on 11/09/2008 11:18:00 AM PST by realcleanguy
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Hi, I am from the Government and I am here to help you out.


5 posted on 11/09/2008 11:18:34 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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What will I do with my $100.000 (comparatively cheap) motorhome? What will my friends do with their $750,000 rig in which they live and travel 24/7/365?

How about my SIL who has a small truck to perform his work chores. How about my daughter’s company that uses a ‘big rig’ to buy/sell wholesale tomatos? How about the hundreds of Wal-Mart trucks delivering from warehouse to store?


6 posted on 11/09/2008 11:19:12 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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The auto industry are in their current position for a reason. How does giving them 50 billion change anything? If they don’t change what brought them to this place, they will be right back where they are now after they lose the bailout money.

If a business is failing, it needs to...


7 posted on 11/09/2008 11:19:19 AM PST by KoRn
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What will I do with my $100.000 (comparatively cheap) motorhome? What will my friends do with their $750,000 rig in which they live and travel 24/7/365?

How about my SIL who has a small truck to perform his work chores. How about my daughter’s company that uses a ‘big rig’ to buy/sell wholesale tomatos? How about the hundreds of Wal-Mart trucks delivering from warehouse to store?


10 posted on 11/09/2008 11:19:54 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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Anybody heard that 10 Billion will go to the Unions supposedly for health care of Union members?


12 posted on 11/09/2008 11:20:35 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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Sure, I’m going to put around the Riverside county hill country with a Hyundai 4 cylinder enviro-friendly piece of crap. Bail out Detroit, and dump on their products. The audacity of hypocrisy.


13 posted on 11/09/2008 11:20:52 AM PST by HondaCRF450
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Them makin’em, and us buyin’em, is two different things.


18 posted on 11/09/2008 11:26:40 AM PST by FrankR (Let's sit back and watch the show - popcorn anyone?)
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In line with the Obama Maladministration’s offer to bail out the U.S. auto industry if they stop production of SUVs and trucks and retool for smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, Obama today ordered ALL presidential and White House vehicles be replaced with this new design (which looks suspiciously like the ’85 Yugo GV).

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20 posted on 11/09/2008 11:29:15 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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At the end of 2002, General Motors, the company with the largest workforce and therefore the greatest pension obligation, had $39 billion in pension assets.

A major UAW goal in pension negotiations is to provide basic lifetime pension benefits that replace a reasonable percent of the worker’s pre-retirement income. This is part of the “three-legged stool” of retirement security, which includes a pension, government Social Security benefits and personal savings.

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October 22, 2007

Under GM’s new contract with the UAW, new hires for nonproduction jobs will earn $15.30 in base pay after initially getting $14-an-hour training pay. Including health insurance and a 401(k)-style pension plan, the new hires will make $25.65 an hour, GM said.

Existing GM hourly employees earn base wages of $28.12 an hour. Including health insurance ...

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March 12, 2004

GM Says Health Care Obligation Hit $67.5B

GM currently pays health care expenses for 450,000 retirees

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March 7, 2006

GM retirees balk at higher health care costs

General Motors Corp. retirees asked a federal judge Monday to reject a settlement that would require them to pay more for their health care, saying it violates their contracts. But GM and the United Auto Workers said the agreement is critical to the struggling automaker’s future. “This is the only hope that there is that GM will be able to continue to survive,” said Julia Penny Clark, an attorney for the UAW. “GM is at risk of not being able to provide these benefits.”


22 posted on 11/09/2008 11:34:07 AM PST by kcvl
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Next time America needs to manufacture a bunch of main battle tanks in an extreme hurry — there will be some posters on this board who will be happy, our auto industry is getting some support right now.


23 posted on 11/09/2008 11:36:04 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN 2012: No more RINOS... Ever!!)
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none of GM’s management miscues was so damaging to its long-term fate as the rich pensions and health care that robbed [GM] of its financial flexibility and ultimately, of its cash. ... Detroit was too flush to envision it would ever face a financial strain. ... [GM] got into the dubious habit of steadily increasing worker benefits. In the ‘90s, the consequences of maintaining a corporate welfare state became too obvious to ignore. ... GM acknowledged it its most recent annual report that from 1993 to 2007 it spent $103 billion ‘to fund legacy pensions and retire health care.’

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25 posted on 11/09/2008 11:36:38 AM PST by kcvl
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Maybe he should suggest a $700 billion bail out.


26 posted on 11/09/2008 11:37:02 AM PST by stevem
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The government gives them money. The government tells them what to build.


27 posted on 11/09/2008 11:38:49 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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UAW urges public to oppose House bill that harms pensions - 12/06/05

The U.S. House is about to take up a pensions bill that the United Auto Workers says will outlaw early retirement benefits in plant closing and will freeze the pension benefits of hundreds of thousands of workers in well-funded plans by changing accounting rules. Alan Reuther is Legislative Director for the UAW.

[Alan Reuther 1] : “These proposals we think are being pushed by people who want to get rid of defined benefit pensions plans. And that’s why they’re pushing these counterproductive ideas.”

“We’re asking people to call their members of Congress and to urge them to oppose this pension bill and to send a strong message that it’s not right to be freezing the pensions of workers and retirees.


28 posted on 11/09/2008 11:39:40 AM PST by kcvl
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the all new GM HUGO is here! (A Yugo named after O’s best friend Chavez.)


29 posted on 11/09/2008 11:39:40 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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Emmanuel is a moron who doesn’t understand anything except the nice cushy office he works out of.

Of course if he had a lick of common sense, he would realize that the work crews that built his office, home, etc... relied on trucks.


30 posted on 11/09/2008 11:39:53 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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32 posted on 11/09/2008 11:44:35 AM PST by BenLurkin
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