Posted on 11/07/2008 7:21:04 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Newsweek has published a deep, multi-chapter account of the entire 2008 presidential campaign, with a lot of inside perspective. Somewhere in the middle, it deals with Sen. John McCain's friendship with Sen. Joe Lieberman.
McCain had apparently pitched Lieberman's name for the No. 2 spot on the ticket, but the idea was quickly shot down by his advisers.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.courant.com ...
Because we let the Dems and the media pick our candidate.
Dude, just let it go. He didn’t pick him.
The third party scum are trying their best to amplify the media efforts to destroy the Republican party. It’s so obvious now that it ceases to even be obscene anymore. Pond scum just floats on through and is rejected.
Go to your local bookstore, shake out hundreds of the subscription litter cards from Slimes and Newsweak and drop in the mail for pro$$ing. Send a message.
That would have been a great career move, John. You might even have done worse than Walter Mondale under that scenario.
Maybe they should take their act on the road. Anywhere but DC.
Then he would have lost by 15 points and we could have a real fresh, brand new GOP with a swift kick in the pants to the RINOs for one last time.
The Jewish vote was 2% of the national total. It’s totally irrelevant. McCain got 21%, with Lieberman may be hets closer to 30%. With such a small total it makes no difference.
But what about FL you say? It wasn’t the Jewish vote thta was the problem there. McCain did just as well as Bush did in 2004. He actually did slightly better among the white vote than Bush did.
The difference was twofold:
1st, a big shift in the black vote to Obama.
2nd and more importantly, the hispanic vote went from 56-44 Bush to 57-42 Obama, a 27 pt swing to the dems.
Would Lieberman have done anything about that? Of course not. I wonder what could have happened since 2004 to cause such a massive shift in the hispanic vote? Could it have been the huge conservative and GOP opposition to immigration that everyone warned would cost us electorally in 2008? Looks like it did just that. A shame since McCain is actually the most pro-hispanic Senator in the GOP, but he took the blame for the larger opposition within th epary and the movement.
Also, Jeb Bush was Gov of FL and had a hispanic wife and was popular with hispanics and George P Bush was part of that hispanic outreach. The anti-dem backlash from the Elian Gonzales case that helped us in 2000 and 2004 probably diminished quite a bit as well. Bush and Rove had cultivated hispanics going back to TX and that helped us there. Immigration reform was an attempt to lock in 40% of the hispanic vote for the GOP. It would have been a huge benefit electorally. Oh well. Now, hispanics may be gone for quite some time.
But Lieberman wouldn’t have done anything about the big shifts in the black and hispanic vote that sunk us in FL. You can’t blame Palin for that either. McCain actually did better with white women in FL than Bush did. I wonder why?
For the record, I'm an independent fiscal conservative with strong libertarian leanings and a bit of social conservatism mixed in. However, I owe no loyalty to any party or any faction. Now, if you are going to run around FR referring to me as "third party [pond] scum," either you should use private Freepmail or ping me so I can defend myself.
As for the GOP, the media doesn't need to lift a finger against the Republican Party. Their "maverick" Juan did it all by himself.
His slogan could have been: Government First or BiPartisan First
What a hack politician.
I haven’t checked the figures, but didn’t he fare quite lackluster in AZ? AZ is moving hard-left like CO and NV.
Third party folks, at least the conservative ones, are hardly scum. I think it’s unwise to vote third party for various reasons, rabscuttle385, but you and I have already covered that ground on other threads.
Let me just say I would readily vote for a conservative third party if I thought it could win or achieve some other equally important effect. So far? No dice. Our best hope lies in retaking the Republican Party.
“McCain’s other traveling buddy, Lindsey Graham, urged McCain to pick Lieberman...”
Ack! And Lindsey just won another six years I believe!
All anyone wanted was for people to follow the law. I have little time or respect for those that can’t manage that.
The [un]funny thing is, a huge majority here had drunk the Kool-Aid and were harassing those of us who didn't support McCain. Now, of course, they're pretending they knew all along McCain was a big RINO.
I don’t entirely blame them (except some of the more unforgiving ones). I think we’re going to look back in a year and wonder how the hell we ever chose John McCain. Heck I guess people are starting to think that now.
No matter his VP pick would have been his undoing, though Joe would have been a disaster. No, his choice for President was his biggest mistake!
...and ours as well.
It is the Republicans who are being systematically rejected- First in '06, and now in '08. The more that Conservatism identifies itself separately from Republicanism, the more Republicans will fade.
Take that as a word of warning from a thirty year Republican loyalist who is now an independent, willingly voting 3rd party. Not only I, but every one I know have abandoned the Republican party. Those few who were still holding out hope, me among them, were convinced in this election year.
You're on the wrong side of this, MHGinTN, defending the indefensible.
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