Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
Was so hoping that Mac would win with the help of the PUMAs. It would have gone a far way to unite the country.
O win has even seriously divided some families in our area.
Dems filing suit hurts Conservatives? Interesting idea noob.
Please don’t take offense if you think I am not using “common sense” I am speaking in purely “hypothetical” sense here. My point is there is a potential Constitutional crisis in the making. I am trying to explore ALL scenarios. For example, assuming you are correct in stating that the electorate voted for a “ticket.” What if the ticket is invalid from the very beginning? Remember, Obama picked Biden to be his running mate. There was no primary process, no roll call of states, just Biden accepting Obama’s offer to be his running mate. If Obama is found not to be eligible to hold the office, how can he pick a running mate? It is very similar to the “fruits of the poisonous tree” concept. If the police perform an illegal search, anything that flows from the illegality is not admissable in a court of law. So, if Obama can’t legally hold the office, how can he legally tap Joe Biden to be his VP?
You apparently have no grasp of the law.
This is assuming that Obama is disqualified ...
An election based on the perpetration of a fraud is no election. The remedy is to remove the basis of the fraud (in this case, Obama).
Thus, ALL of his 55+ million votes are thrown out. His electors are disqualified since technically, no one voted for them. McCain’s electors replace Obama’s since he now has the most votes in each state.
McCain’s electors are pledged to him - do you REALLY believe that they would go against that and vote for a different DEM (who, I don’t know - Hillary maybe?). Remember Obama has been disqualifed ...
I’m questioning the Puma thing. And McCain just couldn’t inspire anyone. Palin did but insiders in the campaign undermined her. A campaign insider named Wallace is a friend of Katie Couric. They never had a chance.
Obama initially picked Biden but he was confirmed by the party as their nominee at the convention.
“Originally the president was the person with the most votes. VP was with the second highest....Can’t remember when that changed, but it was fairly early.....”
The 12th Amendment ratified September 25, 1804.
This removed the flaw in the Constitution (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3) where Jefferson (Presidential candidate) and Burr (VP candidate) both tied with the same number of votes. It took the House of Representatives 35 votes to elect Jefferson.
The 12th Amendment provides for the separate election of POTUS and VP.
Biden was not a fraud. He was nominated and elected.
Obama may be disqualified but the peoples pick of a Dem is not. Never has a Dem or Repub been replaced by the opposite party.
Thus, ALL of his 55+ million votes are thrown out.
Where does the Constitution say that?
Again, OBAMA picked Biden, affirmed by voice acclamation at the convention, but this occured AFTER OBAMA was the presumptive nominee. If Obama isn’t qualified to hold the office, he isn’t qualified be the nominee and he isn’t qualified to nominate Biden.
As a former cop and a student of the law, I’m more interested in the abstract. That;s why I was asking for someone with Constitutional law experience to try and sort this one out. As an exercise in law, this could have ramifications beyond this election.
No, we need to undermine the liberals and this Faux Obama.
He needs to prove he is a natural born citizen.
Newbie doesn’t want recounts or voter fraud investigated either. I think newbie needs to head back to his own forum.
I agre that it has ramifications. But I also think that U.S. Constitution, Amendment 20, Section 3 answers it.
Thanks.
Bump for later
I’m certainly tired of trolls. The new signups have driven me nuts tonight. You can tell the trolls as logic is beyond them. You can debate a FReeper.(Talking to 2 real ones now) A lib talks in circles. I quoted ones posts back to them and they said I must have a dysfunctional family. It made no sense.
Bump ya back....It’s getting late here.
Night!
IMO
Most libs are products of public school whose teachers graduated in the bottom half of public schools.....
Good evening. Ping me to anything else you find.
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