Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
Yes. That is what has been reported by an inside source.
And they will not cross party lines for a pick.
That doesn’t look like Aerial to me - could be wrong. If it was wouldn’t that be evidence of outright forgery?
That it’s Kenyan? I rather thought so. What about this Indonesian thing. Did he have an Indonesian passport? He couldn’t get in Pakistan with an American one but he COULD with a Kenyan passport.
Wait - yes the top one is arial. I was looking at the lower one.
Bit confused, what is the lower one, just a comparison?
What is the one of Obama - some type of alleged “legitimate copy”? If so, I declare fraud unless the original is produced or legitimate copy of original.
As to dual citizenship: The Hague convention (1930) state that both countries must agree to joint citizenship.If one does not than only one can claim. He could possibly have had joint with Kenya as they were part of the British Empire.
However, when his mother married Soetoro and moved to Indonesia. His step father enrolled him into public school % states he was the father (No official adoption paper is necessary there). Public school there did not allow non-citizens to enroll. Since, Indonesia does not recognize joint citizenship, therefore, he lost his US citizenship.
Later (in his 20’s) he traveled using the INDOnesian passport into countries that people with American citizenship (poassport were not allowed to travel to. (Clue listen to haow he pronounces Pakistan.)
I go back to my original question. Since Joe Biden and Barack Obama’s name appear as a “ticket” there is nothing that shows a vote count for the vice president on either side. Also, according to a previous poster, the VEEPs name never appeared on his state ballot. So, how can he be the VP-elect when there is no vote count for the position?
I think he won’t release his college records because it states that he’s a muslim. He always roomed with muslims. There’s a lot of dirt here.
VP appear on the ballot here.
I often roomed with Jew and I’m not Jewish.....
Had another thought: Maybe he doesn’t want the BC and name change issue to come out because than he could be in hot water because he stated in his application to be a member of the barr in Illinois that he had never used any name but BHO.
Is this perjury or contemp? What is the penalty? Could he hold office if guilty of either?
With all due respect to a fellow Freeper ...
There are 1076 total potential electors (538 Dem, 538 GOP).
As it stands now, the Electoral College will be roughly 338-200 in favor of the Dems.
If Obama is disqualified, HIS electors would also be necessarily disqualified. You cannot have electors seated based upon the perpetration of a fraud in an election.
If Jan. 20th passes, Biden would act as POTUS until a new President qualifies.
The new Electoral College would be seated - this time with the electors of the qualified person with the next most votes (McCain).
Therefore, the new composition of the Electoral College would include the original 200 McCain electors plus the 338 previously disenfranchised McCain electors for a total of 538 McCain electors.
I think Biden might have a good shot at claiming that his election was valid, in which case, the 338 electors original certification of him as VP would stand.
BTW - I used to hate the word “disenfranchised” (bad memories of 2000), but now I kind of like it ... LOL!!!
Let’s use some common sense. You can’t vote for just a president or just a VP. You vote for the complete ticket.
Quit with the desperation already.
Our party has better ideas and will regroup with better leadership.
Posting this kind of crap only makes us appear desperate vs enlightened.
Originally the president was the person with the most votes. VP was with the second highest....Can’t remember when that changed, but it was fairly early.....
They won’t cross party lines. The public elected a Democrat. When someone dies in office, their replacement is from the same party. They will not circumvent the will of the people.
Electors have filed suit to challenge Obama whether you like it or not.
I think it was about 1800 or 1804. They didn’t want political parties either as they thought them too divisive. They were right.
Since it could result in a constitutional crisis, and the MSM is not enlightening us, We're just making sure we stay informed.
Good Luck with that .. you’re just digging a deeper grave for the party and our principles.
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