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Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
carolina Journal ^ | November 04, 2008 | Karen McMahan

Posted on 11/05/2008 6:39:05 PM PST by AmericanMade1776

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.

Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly.

The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 401k; bho2008; communism; contributions; democrat; democrats; georgemiller; government; incomeredistribution; ira; jimmcdermott; legaltheft; obamatransitionfile; redistribution; retirement; sharedsuffering; socialism; socialist; socialists; socialsecurity; spreadthewealth; theft; wealthredistribution
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To: piytar

“It is not that God has turned from us, it is that the majority of this nation has turned from Him...”

Yup.


181 posted on 11/06/2008 3:34:42 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Wait until “they” start confiscating white owned farms...


182 posted on 11/06/2008 3:36:48 AM PST by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Chile has an interesting and very successful Social Security system. Everyone has a private account! 10% of all wages are taken out of your total wages, pre tax. There are 5 plans that are governmentally regulated but privately managed. The companies that do the managing are limited to 1% profit. The managed funds are very tightly regulated regarding speculative investments and the percentage of speculative investment must be balanced with “stable” assets. You may move your funds around from company to company or split your funds as you feel necessary. (most don't move them) Over the last 20 years the accounts have averaged 8% per year, including this year. You may remove a small amount of the funds but the penalty is steep. Private equity management firms work when properly regulated!
183 posted on 11/06/2008 3:43:35 AM PST by WellyP
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To: WellyP

I should add: These are YOUR funds and the government may not take them or borrow againse them!


184 posted on 11/06/2008 3:44:57 AM PST by WellyP
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To: AmericanMade1776

bump


185 posted on 11/06/2008 3:55:53 AM PST by Born In America (Forgive us Father for they know not what they have done....)
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To: chadwimc

“Wait until “they” start confiscating white owned farms...”

Yeah, isn’t Mugabe one of Hussein the Magic Marxist’s philosophical soul mates?


186 posted on 11/06/2008 4:00:58 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Publius
You'll be facing a Weimar of Zimbabwe situation.

A clever mixing of references. Kudos.

187 posted on 11/06/2008 4:06:03 AM PST by Hardastarboard (America is so "twenty minutes ago")
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To: AmericanMade1776

And they wonder why nobody’s diving into the market...


188 posted on 11/06/2008 4:11:44 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: taildragger
Well, actually it is deeper than that.

See for years now, these guys have have been told that a 401k will make them retire rich. It is pounded in to them in yearly meetings.

But most of the guys don't either have the time or the skills to monitor the account. So once a quarter they sit down with the 401k company and have them balance things.

Well, the broker had guys one year from retirement all in stocks. I know of one gentleman, who only has a high school education (circa 1960, so much better than today) who is down $100K by doing just what the broker told him to do.

They are very mad, mad enough that at the current negotiations, many want something like this plan.

189 posted on 11/06/2008 4:25:58 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

The guns should be taken to Washington. The slimming of the congress seems to be a coming event if they keep this up.


190 posted on 11/06/2008 4:29:29 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ferengi?.....Probably not, but he sure has the lobes)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I don’t think there is much of a leap from one to the other. Justice Kennedy will see the seizure as a public good.


191 posted on 11/06/2008 5:00:44 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Depression deepens.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

I’m retired at 72, is there anyway to head this off? Can it really be true that in America the government could just help themselves to our money? When I was putting money in teh top was only $2000 tax free, how does that qualify as rich? A congressman can poop that much off in 5 minutes! If I cash them in and put the money in my bank account can the come get it, or in my safety deposit box?


192 posted on 11/06/2008 5:10:21 AM PST by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: CatQuilt

All that was in the nation’s infancy when we were still growing

We didn’t become an international power till the Spanish American war

Last time the white people used violence etc was during the union organizing in the 30s BEFORE Socialism took hold and sapped our will


193 posted on 11/06/2008 5:12:24 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Kellis91789
A frenzy of selling will collapse prices well before you get all your money out. YouÂ’d be lucky to get 1/4th the amount you think you have saved.

It needs to be coordinated. Sell the rallies.

194 posted on 11/06/2008 5:29:38 AM PST by montag813
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To: AmericanMade1776

BTTT


195 posted on 11/06/2008 6:23:57 AM PST by 6323cd (McCain: Worst.Candidate.Ever.)
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To: uncbob

Excellent points...


196 posted on 11/06/2008 6:47:03 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: ought-six

You are right on.


197 posted on 11/06/2008 6:58:28 AM PST by RatRipper
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To: AmericanMade1776

btt


198 posted on 11/06/2008 8:25:46 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: AmericanMade1776

Go ahead, make me cash out early and buy gold to avoid confiscation of my personal savings. LOL! Let’s see the Obamatron sheeple live on worthless U.S. Gub’mint paper when the 401K and IRA funds mysteriously vanish before their eyes.


199 posted on 11/06/2008 8:36:53 AM PST by TADSLOS (McCain Courted Socialism and Brought Us Marxism Instead)
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To: depressed in 06
Hmm... "Public good" was a bastardization of the language "public use" in the Fifth Amendment, referring to the seizure of real estate for public works.

Could he just transfer that language to the Fourth Amendment, that referred to privacy and illegal search and seizure? The Fourth Amendment seizure was a protection against government theft of property, say, confiscating your car if it was used in a crime vs. just taking it because the police liked it.

Isn't that the kind of protection we're talking about, protecting our 401(k)'s from seizure by the government simply because they like it?

-PJ

200 posted on 11/06/2008 9:13:21 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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