Posted on 11/05/2008 12:41:54 PM PST by LibertyUSAmerica
There will be much debate about how to rebuild the conservative movement, what went wrong, etc. That will take time and sort itself out.
In the meantime we need to preserve two things while living in the minority: Freedom of Speech and an honest election system.
It will require us and a strong appeal to honest democrats as many of us witnessed with the PUMA's. I posted the following in response to another post on how to talk to Democrats. If we can preserve the following two founding principles of this country, I can live with whatever we face in the next 4 to 40 years.
My concern is, I don't think liberalism as defined by Obama/Reid/Pelosi can live with these to principles...
On talking to Democrats....
Ask them to preserve two things for us in the minority. The right and ability to speak freely and engage them in the battle of ideas. Ask them to oppose the fairness doctrine or any other type of legislation that limits free expression of political ideas. (This should also include hate crimes or thought crimes legislation.)
Ask them why Congress would need to impose any of this when they just trounced us in an election. If our ideas are so radical, why do they fear them when they just won. Freedom of speech is going to be the most important item in the next few years.
Second, ask them to preserve an honest and fair election system that can allow those in power to be thrown out of office. This will be tougher of the two to do. We as Republicans and Conservatives were stewards over a system that allowed ourselves to be thrown out of office. Will their party speak out against ACORN, potentially rigged voter machines, inner-city rigged voter roles (Philly and Chicago) dead voters etc.
I'm afraid they have targeted Secretary of State offices as the next office to win. (Politico had an article on this before the election.)
If I can have those two things, we can roll back socialism, higher taxes, and other things. Reagan did it here. Thatcher did it in England.
If we can't communicate freely and vote honestly we will never have that opportunity again. Remind them especially if they have every voted for a Republican that you always want to preserve that right to throw the bums out. Tell them that it felt good didn't it! We just want the same opportunity to do the same.
I posted this on an earlier thread but it may be more appropriate here:
I’m deadly serious about the following: From here on, be very careful of what you say around pro-dem/Zero associates, friends, associates and yes, even family.Particularly around the AA community. and without doubt, the media. Given the thugocracy, Alinskey radical background of Zero and his associates, the ugly get-even mindset of the left of the 2000 and 2004 elections, and the enthusiastic media participation in the destruction of their enemies (Gov Palin and Joe the Plumber),-your words are going to be relayed to the “proper authorities”.
I’m also saying this with the perspective as a certified poll observer on Tuesday and the chicanery and disregard for impartial polling procedures that occurred.
That was an illusion.
About the same percentage of Democrats voted for Obama as voted for Kerry.
There was no defection of Clinton voters to the GOP - or if there was, it is statistically negligible.
If history is a guide, and it is, Obama will not come after us until he has purged the Dems of those people that you think can be appealed to. Obama and his fellow travelers, (red diaper babies and other radicals) have been very upset with centrist Democrats like the Clintons (relatively speaking!) and will strip their power first.
We will have to mount our own defenses.
I would urge everyone who is not a member of the NRA to join today.
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp
Or you can call 1-877-NRA-2000.
Your appeals to reason and fairness will fall on deaf ears.
The “rules” (equality, diversity etc.) are only in place to get these people into power. One they have a secure grip on that power the “rules” will be discarded.
I would urge everyone who is not a member of the NRA to join today.
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp
Or you can call 1-877-NRA-2000.
There is no hope for free speech or honest voting anymore.
I don’t like saying it but the cold hard fact is that this country is being handed over to Marxists. They will not allow free speech or votes.
Talk Radio will go.
Free Republic will go.
Honest elections will go.
The challenge before us is not one of rebuilding the Republican Party on conservative principles...the Marxists will not allow the election of conservatives ever again.
In the end the only answer will be...
” When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. — “
I was actually wondering last night if at some point, FR will have to do as FreeDominion.ca did, and move their servers, and home base to another country, like FreeDominion did by moving theirs to Portugal.
(Envisions our Father in Freepdom-"when they pry this mouse from my cold dead hands")
Fight on, Conservatives, Bump.
“From here on, be very careful of what you say around pro-dem/Zero associates, friends, associates and yes, even family.”
You’re right. We’re no longer a free America.
Right now I am not in the mood to ask, and I don’t believe the Democrats in Congress are in the mood to listen. They’ve been itching to reinstitute the “Fairness Doctrine” for some time now. We just heard Schumer the other day liken what he considers un-fair and un-balanced speech to pornography. The offensive part to me is not that he would equate certain political speech with pornography, but that he would equate any political speech, which is supposedly protected by the First Amendment, to pornography, which is not protected, but can be and is regulated or banned.
“move their servers, and home base to another country”
Didn’t Wolfman Jack move his operation just across the border to Mexico when he was having censorship issues in the US? I’m not comparing Rush, FR, Sean, etc., to Wolfman Jack, but re logistics...
The Puma sites are there. Some of the sites locked out lurkers last night to preserve precious bandwidth. They are as unhappy as we on the election results, but God Bless them, they aren't wringing their hands as much as some of us, (eg, Me) here at FR are. They are vowing to fight on.
Hard to say which was the bigger factor - lower GOP turnout or undecideds breaking for Obama. That does not change the fact that there was no defection of Democrats to McCain. At all.
The PUMAs were supposed to be, by definition, Democrats defecting to McCain.
Statistically, none did.
Talking about election integrity, where was the buffoon Jimmy Carter at ? Not a peep from him, was there ?
We won’t be moving our servers, but we might look into leasing an offshore account (just in case).
It matters to the extent that people were passively relying on the PUMAs to produce needed votes.
As it turns out 89% of self-identified Democrats voted for Kerry in 2004. The latest numbers from yesterday indicate that 89% of self-identified Democrats voted for Obama.
There was no PUMA effect, no PUMA cushion, no PUMA what have you.
There was also no crossover to Obama from the GOP.
So in the end it was a combination of not getting the vote out enough and not getting enough independents.
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