Posted on 11/05/2008 11:13:16 AM PST by erkyl
This is an idea that does have merit if need be. All one has to do is look at the map—if Texas actually does consider this, it won’t be the only state. It should be a last resort, of course, but sooner or later we may be called upon to make such a choice. I live in Southern Missouri and our “hillbilly” values are so very different than those of the St. Louis/Kansas City city dwellers. We did manage to win the vote for McCain, but just barely.
But we have five of the eleven top producing American refineries and with a total of 26 refineries, we have more than any other state in the ‘union.’
I don’t care about the other refineries in the world, but when considering secession, it would be lovely to take 26 of the nation’s refineries for the Republic of Texas and then also be free to drill off shore, build more refineries and build coal powered plants. If you add in our likely neighbors of Oklahoma and Louisiana (should they decide to join us), add another 22 to our growing Republic. That’s a total of 48 refineries out of around 160 of the total refineries in the US. Or about a third?
Yes, please don’t forget us Okies
Upon further review, why stop at California? Now that Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana have joined the unholy coastal alliance, let them all go. Look at yesterday’s electoral map.
Yeah, we’ll have hurricanes, but we’ll also have the oil, oil shale, natural gas, plenty of the cleanest coal (Grand Escalante Staircase), wind power generation, and we have no problem with nuclear power.
Just letting the imagination run wild.
I was bouncing the idea around in my head before the election in anticipation of the clear delineation of our country along ideologies for the past 5 presidential election cycles. It’s clear there are those who believe in European socialism (but won’t move there...PUHLEEZ) and those of us who cling to our religion and guns, oh, and the Founding Fathers and the constitution, etc.
I proposed the notion of all the red states joining, seceding and becoming our own country. I posted the idea in another thread, but agree that our new conservative nation would be stronger, have all the business, military, energy, and the liberals would have all the poor with their hands out. Eventually, the blue states would go bankrupt, we could take them over and have our country back. Of course, by then, they would realize their liberal ideology was a miserable failure by experiencing it themselves, and not forcing the rest of us down that toilet along with them.
A gal can dream, right?
I’m already looking for refuge. My beloved Virginia now has a lib governor and two lib senators. Too many damn yankees moving here and then trying to change our values. That Cowboys thing IS a problem though. Maybe we could move the Redskins to Austin. From one capitol to another?
Hey Guy! Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisisna, South Carolina, Arkansas and Kentucky are invited to the party too!
(So are Kansas, Nebraska, S. Dakota, N. Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Arizona). And even W. Virginia LOL!
Ping!
Does this sound like a canard?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005511
Who else is for increasing the number of Texas Senators by 8 as well as 8 more Texas members of electoral college?
I dislike this notion-—unless we are an independent nation. Then division into several smaller states becomes a practical matter of governing more efficiently (and perhaps for helping solve the Cowboys problem). But, five separate states of Texas just to get a little more influence in the federal debacle...I don’t think so.
Easy access to natural resources has ALWAYS been the key to human societal progress. If easy access was not available, there were two ways to remedy the situation, trade or conquest.
Now that our fellow “citizens” have elected a regime that reject the abundance of natural bounty granted to us, I’m forced to ask, “Will I continue to rejoice in those blessings? Or should I hope for the change that this man will bring to our great progress and help this man “remake” our country?”
Ummm, I think I’ll go with the former rather than the latter.
Dreams are good, as long as they’re made of or induced by pipe.
With all due respect to a recent law school graduate and a yankee professor I've never met a serious person who doesn't think that the formal re-admittance of Texas after the civil war rendered any agreement before that moot.
Yeah, just what we need, more senators.
How about establishing Freeperville,TX? We find an area that has a large amount of available acreage and buy adjoining lots. Then we form our own town. erkyl, you could be our first school teacher.
heh...
It doesn’t matter WHY they voted for him, or WHY acorn committed massive voter fraud.
What matters is that we now have a Marxist president elect and a marxist controlled legislative branch ready to take his orders. We also have a predominantly marxist judicial branch ready to help the cause. The Constitution as it was written and as it was intended is dead (or will be when they assume power). All that its ever taken to kill it was for these type of people to assume control over its “protection”.
Realism dictates that it will be an impossible task to “educate” people away from the government tit. its just not going to happen.
Texas cant wait too long to do something either. Even they will eventually be overrun by the leftist hordes. Now that power has been consolidated the marxists WILL concentrate on the holdouts. Take THAT to the bank.
When you google “texas secession obama” you get some interesting threads in other locations talking about this in the past 24 hours...
Sentiments seem to be the same as FReepers. Take a look:
http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=103872
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081105081401AAURPMF
Facebook has several groups started
http://friedgreenonions.blogspot.com/2008/10/if-obamanation-is-imposed-texas.html
http://hatlessinhattiesburg.blogspot.com/2008/11/darker-view.html
And of course, you get some racist sites that are pretty disgusting.
But, the pot is simmering, and I think Dante’s words should be heeded:
“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”
They all heard about Joe the Plumber and Obama admitting to his plan to redistribute income, they all heard about his plans to tax the rich, raise capital gains taxes for fairness and so on. They decided they like socialism as long as they're getting free stuff. They make me sick.
make it the Republic of Texoma and drop that People's Republic stuff!
I feel the same way. I'm getting off the American ride the next 4 years. I didn't make this mess and I feel no responsibility to fix it. I'll leave it to those "Americans" who voted for Hussein to figure out how to fix the mess they've caused. I may have a job offer that will take me to Iraq, and I am giving it serious consideration. I'd almost rather be helping Iraqis try and fix their country, rather than living among people who have decided to throw their nation away.
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