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Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party
UK Telegraph ^ | 10/26/08 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 10/26/2008 2:07:09 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Mr Frum thinks that Mrs Palin's brand of cultural conservatism appeals only to a dwindling number of voters.

He said: "She emerges from this election as the probable frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Her supporters vastly outnumber her critics. But it will be extremely difficult for her to win the presidency."

Mr Nuzzo, who believes this election is not a re-run of the 1980 Reagan revolution but of 1976, when an ageing Gerald Ford lost a close contest and then ceded the leadership of the Republican Party to Mr Reagan.

He said: "Win or lose, there is a ready made conservative candidate waiting in the wings. Sarah Palin is not the new Iain Duncan Smith, she is the new Ronald Reagan." On the accuracy of that judgment, perhaps, rests the future of the Republican Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: Cboldt

Noo...a thousand times “No” Bill Krystol, for all of his flaws, has stood behind Governor Palin, for my disagreements with the man, he has never attacked Sarah Palin.

Make no mistake, I watch these things like a hawk that is starving, and Bill Krystol is not the problem...at all.


41 posted on 10/26/2008 2:36:12 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Obama Victory means Civil war for the future of the party
["There's going to be a bloodbath]


I thought "the party" in the headline would be The Democratic Party.

Even the Wall Street Journal had an opinion piece recently
about how Obama is likely to alienate enough of his own party
that he will find some "roadblocks" to some of his agenda.

Hopefully The ObamaMessiah and Michelle will make Bill and
Hillary! look like slackers when it comes to pushing their radical agenda.
42 posted on 10/26/2008 2:36:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
These so called "RINO" country club Republicans tee me off more than ultra-lib Obama supporters. At least the Obama supporters are honest about what they are. These moderates are the same group that paled around with democrats during the 70's and 80's when democrats controlled congress.

Remember, McCain IS from the "RINO" side of the party. If he does lose it will be a repudiation of THIS side of the party. It will not be Sarah Palin's fault, it will not be George Bush's fault, it will not be conservatives fault. It will be the fault of the "RINO" wing of the party that told us we could only win by going moderate this election cycle.

I honestly believe that McCain would be up 10% in the polls if he was a Ronald Reagan conservative who stood by free-market principals instead of twisting with the political winds. He may still win, I hope he does, but he is NOT a Reagan conservative.

And these RINO idiots expect us to swallow whatever moderate POS they choose for us. Maybe McCain wasn't "moderate" enough, maybe they will give us Lincoln Chafee in 2012, or maybe after 4 years of earning their Obama kneepads they will endorse Obama as the republican nominee as well as the democrat, just like in the old Soviet Union.

After all, the RINO wing DOES have such an impressive record of electoral success...

1976 Ford (RINO) - Loses

1980 Reagan (conservative) - Wins

1984 Reagan (conservative) - Wins

1988 Bush I (ran as conservative Reagan heir) - WIN

1992 Bush I (governed as a RINO) - Loses

1996 Dole (RINO) - Loses

2000 Bush II (conservative) WIN

2004 Bush II (conservative) WIN

2008 McCain (RINO) - ???

According to my calculations the RINO's are batting 0 and 3 and may well be 0 and 4 after November 4. While Conservatives are batting 5 and 0. And the RINO's want us to follow them ?!? /rant off

43 posted on 10/26/2008 2:36:47 PM PDT by apillar
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I think there’s going to be a blood bath either way. If McCain wins, blacks have been encouraged to riot by jerks like Al Sharpton. I think if he wins they’re still going to riot. That’s the time when they can loot to their hearts desire, and they’re not going to miss out on that ‘opportunity.’


44 posted on 10/26/2008 2:36:49 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (FAITH IS DARING THE SOUL TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE EYES CAN SEE.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I am one of Sarah’s Soldiers. Count me in.

I no longer read anything produced by effete RINOs.

There is also going to be a worsening of the war on the MSM/DBM. For this, we need to recruit many more fighters.

We need to rebuild the conservative party based on the principles embodied in the words and deeds of RR. Rush and Mark Levin are spearheading this movement. I believe we would benefit by reading Burke, Kirk, Heritage Foundation, and AEI. It would be great for National Review to create a CD of every one of their issues that are indexed to issues......i.e., education, foreign policy, health care, etc. etc.


45 posted on 10/26/2008 2:38:26 PM PDT by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! "Not gonna forget. Not gonna forgive." I'm MAD TOO Palin/Jindal 2012)
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To: padre35
Good work padre35 VICHY REPUBLICAN !!!

What a great description !

Lets pass it on.....VICHY REPUBLICAN

46 posted on 10/26/2008 2:39:24 PM PDT by mick
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Hagel is packing it in, if he were not, he would be on the Vichy Republican list.

Conservatives have long memories and long knives, most don’t remember...we do...

Of course, you can nominate Chuck Hagel, as long as you have solid evidence against him either saying he will vote Obamao, or simply trashing Gov Palin in a majority hit piece...


47 posted on 10/26/2008 2:40:23 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: padre35

Agreed.....give Billy Boy a pardon...for now...but keep your eye on him!


48 posted on 10/26/2008 2:41:28 PM PDT by mick
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To: reformedliberal
-- What if the real story is McCain is furious that these underhanded manipulators have been taking over his campaign?
Sarah is threatening to the establishment.
--

I think McCain is waffling on his membership in the Washington establishment. He does seem willing to rattle his campaign as needed to move ahead, but in between shaking them up, I have the impression that he delegates most of the tenor.

IOW, I don't think McCain is furious at the status quo in his campaign. If he was, he'd rattle them up. There is no harm in doing so at this point in time. And too, since he is waffling on in/out of the Washington establishment, he may be wary of Palin as a potential thorn to some of his policy objectives -- I'm thinking particularly of immigration, mineral exploitation, environmental issues, and "shrinking" of government. At this point, I'm pretty sure he sees her as a strong ally -- but he may have some small concerns in the background.

49 posted on 10/26/2008 2:41:30 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NRA2BFree

Obama on video campaigning for Marxist "cousin" Raila Odinga, Kenya's "Agent of Change"


50 posted on 10/26/2008 2:41:54 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Tarpon
Agreed. Republicans need a much more aggressive brand of conservatism to rejuvenate the party. An infusion of youthful Reaganites is the key, including Jindal and Palin.

One way or another, Newt needs to find a way to be involved, no matter how the left attempts to savage him.

Being nice to liberals merely emboldens them to stab us in the back. Trent Lott's committee sharing debacle some years back is just one illustration.

You mentioned: “Rush, Sean, Beck and Ingraham for me. Who needs more.”

Mark Levin will be included in that mix, front and center.

51 posted on 10/26/2008 2:44:50 PM PDT by Chairman of the Bard
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To: padre35
-- Noo...a thousand times "No" Bill Krystol, for all of his flaws, has stood behind Governor Palin --

I agree with that. He fancies that he has sort of "made" her into a national figure, with his praise and recommendations. Bill Kristol is a go with the flow opportunist and centrist. I don't mind his support of Palin, I just see it as self-serving and not a measure of his inclination to have the GOP reject the "compassionate conservative" approach to federal government.

52 posted on 10/26/2008 2:45:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mick

The way I see it mick, after the election, we sort the wheat from the chaff, we are not all about giving ammo to the Vichy Republicans, we are all about holding people accountable.

There should and hopefully be a “acceptable” and “unacceptable” list that is based first on dumping Vichy Republicans, then moving on to Obamao Sycophants in the Media.

Once we know the geese from the ganders, we start pumping up our friends, and describing our enemies.

We start inhouse, the so called opinion leaders, then we move to politicians.

On November 5th, we start the Vichy Republican thread, so save up and document them, expose them, know them.


53 posted on 10/26/2008 2:45:30 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Dump those waiting for Reagans 2nd coming.

The Jews already have the waiting issue covered.


54 posted on 10/26/2008 2:47:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (As insane as McCain is , my principles can't allow someone like Huessein to be president.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
"The Bush years were largely prosperous but while national income was up the numbers for most individuals were not. Republicans find that a hard fact to process."

That is it in a nutshell, right there. No matter how many attacks on me, how many screeches, the sad truth is that many businesses got more profitable while employees' incomes were buying less and less. The real inflation rate is higher than what those doofuses in Washington want us to believe. People are really hurting.

Voters are just barely smart enough to realize that nothing is trickling down anymore. With the multinationals downsizing and outsourcing, and profits going overseas, we're pretty screwed. And while our tax rate is high on corporations, voters are smart enough to realize how many pay very little tax, if any.

I used to come to to this board long ago and warn that there would be a revolt over issues like healthcare, and I'd get laughed at. Well, see how you like Obama's plan when he wins. We had years to fix the system, and no one did a damn thing about it.

Meanwhile, we're just finding out that the banks that were too big to fail are now going to use the "bailout" money to buy out other banks instead of using that money for loans. Bush lets this happen, and I'M STAYING HOME.

Capitalism works badly when money is concentrated more and more in fewer and fewer hands. People are tired of seeing lobbyists for the one percent run the country. Until the republican party can attract the middle class again, it's toast.

As for me, I resigned myself a long time ago that until the republican party got its act together, the dems were going to gain power. The corporatists have been using Christians since the 1970's. Well, let me tell you folks something. Most of the powers that be don't give a damn about abortion.

It will be interesting to see what happens four years from now. We've got a real pro-life woman who can't win the presidency as the next heir apparent. I'm sorry, but she's just not bright enough. Where are the pro-life leaders who can win an election? Where are the pro-life leaders who care about the middle class? I don't want a tax cut from Obama, but I would like our salary not to be eaten up by the higher costs of healthcare, college, groceries, etc.

55 posted on 10/26/2008 2:47:56 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
I think Nuzzo is wrong (we'll never be rid of these twits...even when they die of old age there will be another cocktail party set coming up behind them) but if he's right the only downside of a McCain win is that this bunch won't be purged.

Add Kathleen Parker to this march of morons, BTW.

56 posted on 10/26/2008 2:50:41 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: Plutarch

“...but has some limitations as evidenced by the degree to which the McCain camp has kept her away from the media.”

Maybe. But did it ever occur to you she is “kept away” (as you put it) because they realize she will be sandbagged by the MSM as was done in the Gibson and Couric interviews? You never see the MSM ask Obama or Biden the kinds of picayune questions Sarah was asked, nor are either one of them challeneged in any meaningful way as was Sarah. It was those 2 interviews more than anything that led to her being unfairly portrayed as a bubble head.

Compared to Joe “Kinnock” Biden, who has trouble remembering how his wife and child died, and invites people to visit him at restaurants that are closed, she is a genius.


57 posted on 10/26/2008 2:50:47 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Ed Rollins masterminded Ronald Reagan’s thrashing of Mondale? I never knew that! The things one learns from a media-type.


58 posted on 10/26/2008 2:51:11 PM PDT by jla (Sarah!)
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To: Cboldt

Disagree, Krystol may consider himself the Palin Genesis, but if so, he has not shifted and then said “I made a mistake”, which would buy him into the good graces of DC Elites.

After all, if he is most responsible for Gov Palin being nominated, he could also then bow to Obamoa and break her with a recantation of her selection.

He never did, neither did Charles Krauthammer, neither did Jonah Goldberg, neither did Mark Steyn.

Boost our friends, name our enemies, let’s get it done.


59 posted on 10/26/2008 2:51:27 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

So you want the government to set wages and profitability? Good grief! Well, anyway, chances are really good you’re going to get a chance to see how bad things can really be when they try to do just that.


60 posted on 10/26/2008 2:52:17 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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