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Caplan concluded by suggesting a shift in society’s view of medical experimentation during the Holocaust. The focus should not be on the “kooks and crackpots” like Josef Mengele because those were extreme cases, he said.

They tell themselves this as they continue to push the Nazi agenda.

1 posted on 10/25/2008 10:53:36 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/25/2008 10:54:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 10/25/2008 10:55:11 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 10/25/2008 11:05:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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It doesn’t matter whether an individual or a group or a nation “decides” a particular person (or type of person) is better off dead.

It’s still wrong to end that person’s life.

And I think using the term “Holocaust” is A-OK.


5 posted on 10/25/2008 11:16:52 AM PDT by syriacus (The MSM has questioned Obama for 2 years. It took a plumber to get Obama to admit he's a socialist.)
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During the trials, doctors justified their experimentation in utilitarian terms, arguing that the inhumane treatment of experimental subjects was subordinate to the greater good of society.

We've heard almost the exact same rationalization from another group lately - that being the ESC pushers.

6 posted on 10/25/2008 11:29:23 AM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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Pretty scary stuff with Obama's view on Abortion you can image what it is on euthanasia. You have to think that his medical plan calls for Government to make life and Death choices for all American's. Will Dr. Death be his Secretary of Health



7 posted on 10/25/2008 11:35:22 AM PDT by ncfool (ObaBama stands for The New United Socialist State or "TNUSSA")
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The idea should go back even further than the Holocaust. Medical ethics has been on tenuous ground for hundreds of years now.

Inextricably linked with scientific ethics, both face the same basic problem: “What happens when the pursuit of knowledge causes harm?”

Objectivity and rationalization go hand in hand. That is, by harming one or some, others can be helped or saved. This leads invariably to dehumanization, as has long been known.

In 1818, the book, “Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus” was published. In essence, it was about medical and scientific ethics, and how with their failure, horror and destruction are visited on all.

But in that time, Dr. Frankenstein was ostracized by the medical community for engaging in “unholy” acts.

But even then, it was common for medical students to steal cadavers from graveyards, for their studies. The infamous Burke and Hare murders were just a decade later. So messing around with human remains was not Frankenstein’s ethical lapse. What was found so repulsive was not that he caused harm, but that he tried to restore life to dead tissue.

By trying to be the best imaginable healer, by restoring the dead to life, Frankenstein crossed the ethical boundary. How different would the story have been if he had discovered the way to revitalize just a single dead organ or limb of a living person? Even in those days, his accomplishment would have placed him among the greatest of all physicians, with Galen, with Hippocrates.

But instead of trying to restore life, he tried to create life.

At that time, the medical world and the public understood his ethical failure. Why it was wrong to do so. But today, there are no more boundaries. Scientists and physicians are no longer bound by any ethical code. The Hippocratic Oath just gets in the way of what they want to do.

That is, it doesn’t matter if it harms or kills. Doctors and scientists put themselves above that, feigning objectivity with rationalizations.

If it destroys the world, and all that dwell on it, it does not matter, as long as their perverse curiosity is sated. Today, Dr. Frankenstein is lauded precisely *because* he defies God. And even if the monster is indeed soulless, it does not matter because souls are just imaginary.

They would present him with the Nobel Peace Prize, for allowing tyrants and bloody dictators at least some semblance of immortality.


8 posted on 10/25/2008 11:52:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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