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Most accurate pollster from 2004 race: McCain now leading among Catholics
CNA ^ | October 23, 2008

Posted on 10/24/2008 8:27:01 AM PDT by NYer

Ramsey, NJ, Oct 23, 2008 / 06:55 pm (CNA).- Investor's Business Daily and the TechnoMetrica Institute of Policy and Politics (IBD/TIPP) has just released a tracking poll that shows that John McCain has dramatically shortened the his deficit with Barack Obama, taking a significant lead among Catholics.

In the midst of the polling confusion, this poll has been regarded as relevant, since an analysis of Final Certified Results showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP to be the most accurate pollster for the 2004 election.

IBD/TIPP reported late on Thursday that McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day in a row and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 on Wednesday and 6.0 on Tuesday.

"The Republican is making headway with middle and working class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000," the report says. 

McCain has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics, with only days remaining before the November 4 election.

The heated debate around abortion and the stepping up of bishops' statements on the incompatibility of pro-choice positions with Catholic doctrine is believed to be one of the possible reasons for the Republican candidate's surge among Catholics.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004polls; 2008polls; catholic; catholicvote; ibd; mccain; obama
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1 posted on 10/24/2008 8:27:01 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/24/2008 8:27:32 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

THANK YOU BISHOPS!!!!

We complain about their lack of leadership often, but they stepped up to the plate on this one. And it shows that many Catholics want to do the right thing, they just need to be taught the truth!


3 posted on 10/24/2008 8:28:44 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
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To: mockingbyrd

Amen! I heard this on Fox News this morning.

Expect Obama to float rumors he is enrolled in RCIA.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 8:30:43 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: NYer
I am Catholic, and voted McCain-Palin through my absentee ballot.

The democrats do hate the military absentee ballot, though.

Hope they don't trash mine.

5 posted on 10/24/2008 8:31:02 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: NYer

This is funny, because I was behind a car the other day that had a “Catholics For McCain” bumpersticker.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 8:34:04 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Miss Marple
Expect Obama to float rumors he is enrolled in RCIA.

LOL! "I'm got a rosary too."

9 posted on 10/24/2008 8:35:02 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: al_c

ack ... I’m = I’ve


10 posted on 10/24/2008 8:35:30 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: NYer

You cannot claim to be a follower of the Catholic faith and be pro-abortion, it is not possible.

Live begins at conception, abortion is Murder in the catholic Faith, pure and simple, black and white... no grey area, no matter what Pelosi and other idiots will want you to believe there is no wiggle room here.

Those that claim “I am against it, but I allow others” are not catholic either, if you believe the Catholic teaching, abortion is murder, you can no more vote for laws allowing it, than you can vote for laws allowing anyone to murder anyone at anytime for any reason.

I empathize with women who have been deceived by the propoganda of the pro aborts, who have regretted their actions as they have come to realize the truth of what they have done. I do not condemn them for it, I condemn those who conned them into the lie that it was not murder.


11 posted on 10/24/2008 8:35:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Catholics will never support anyone pro-infanticide like Obama.

SPREAD THE TRUTH: THE INFANTICIDE HISTORY OF OBAMA!


12 posted on 10/24/2008 8:35:48 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: NYer
McCain has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics

That's not a "surge"?

Isn't this a very significant, usually-Dem block?

13 posted on 10/24/2008 8:36:10 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: snarkytart
This is funny, because I was behind a car the other day that had a “Catholics For McCain” bumpersticker.

I guess I need to break out my old "Vote Catholic, Not Kerry" t-shirt and put "Obama" over "Kerry."

14 posted on 10/24/2008 8:36:27 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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The Faith Community Fights Back Bump
15 posted on 10/24/2008 8:36:35 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: NYer

Now THIS is GOOD news! I’m Lutheran and I KNOW McCain is leading among Lutherans. GO MCCAIN/PALIN GO!


16 posted on 10/24/2008 8:37:10 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: NYer

The “reverend” Wright was also a vicious anti-Catholic, as well as an anti-semite, anti-white, and anti-American.

Obama would have had a more decent religious affiliation at a moderate mosque!


17 posted on 10/24/2008 8:38:31 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: mockingbyrd

“THANK YOU BISHOPS!!!!”

...I know that several ranking members of the Catholic church spoke out on behalf of McCain. Does that trickle down into the individual churches as well so as to avoid the MSM.


18 posted on 10/24/2008 8:44:12 AM PDT by albie
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It’s not just abortion that should drive Catholics away.

Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church also opposes socialism and mandated wealth redistribution for 3 main reasons:

1. It robs the lawful posessor of the wealth (stealing)
2. It hurts the recipient in the end (they should be entitled to keep whatever wealth they acquire too)
3. It distorts the role of the state

On the last point, the Church teaches the principle of subsidiarity, which is that higher levels of community, such as the state, should only perform functions not better performed by lower levels of community, such as families and charities.

The church teaches that the wealthy have an obligation to the poor, but that this is a PERSONAL DUTY, not something the state should mandate or control. Furthermore, the oblication should be personal in nature (ie, get involved), whereas state programs separate the giver from the receiver.

The church discourages class welfare and contends that envy of the rich is a violation of the 9th commandment.

Furthermore, the poor are told “to have nothing to do with men of evil principles, who work upon the people with artful promises of great results, and excite foolish hopes which usually end in useless regrets and grievous loss.”

Don’t beleive me, read “Rerum Novarum”, which is the papal encyclical that lays these positions out. Think it is irrelevant to today, know that John Paul II wrote an encyclical in 1991 affirming Rerum Novarum and went on to explicitly condemn the “Social Assistance State”.

You can read Rerum Novarum at:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html


19 posted on 10/24/2008 9:03:56 AM PDT by VinceASA
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More on Catholic teachings against socialism.

“Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be
respected….By intervening directly and depriving
society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance
State leads to a loss of human energies and an
inordinate increase of public agencies, which are
dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than
by concern for serving their clients, and which are
accompanied by an enormous increase in spending. In
fact, it would appear that needs are best understood
and satisfied by people who are closest to them and
who act as neighbours to those in need.”

John Paul II, From Centesimus Annus, Encyclical on 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum, 1991


20 posted on 10/24/2008 9:07:23 AM PDT by VinceASA
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