If the court should rule that stealing and using someone else's SSN isn't ID theft then we better come up with something to takes its place real fast.
1 posted on
10/20/2008 12:15:43 PM PDT by
engrpat
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To: engrpat
This question needs a court to decide?? Scary stuff.
2 posted on
10/20/2008 12:17:44 PM PDT by
Las Vegas Ron
(Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
To: engrpat
I thought this was Scrappleface at first.
To: engrpat
What else would it be?
That social security number of mine is what the government recognizes me as. To them I am xxx.xx.xxxx. How could using that number not be stealing my identity?
I am quickly losing confidence in our justice system. This matter should be cut and dried, settled nearly a hundred years ago, or when the SS numbers first started being issued.
Chaos is what this is, pure and simple.
5 posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:07 PM PDT by
DoughtyOne
(Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
To: engrpat
Ignorance isn’t a viable excuse when actual citizens break the law, so it shouldn’t be an excuse that an invader can use either.
6 posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:15 PM PDT by
subterfuge
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To: engrpat
This seems to be an analogue to this:
If agents found that an illegal who was caught in a sweep had murdered someone, they couldn’t try him on murder in addition to the immigration issue?
Why should the Court need to take this case? Of course other crimes can be tried. Americans are tried for other side issues all the time.
7 posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:19 PM PDT by
ConservativeMind
(The LA Times, 10/6/08, was told to cut "75 editorial positions." How many are needed for 2 pages?)
To: engrpat
The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others. Doesn't this seem like a "no-brainer" to the rest of y'all?
8 posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:19 PM PDT by
ninergold3
(By Election Day I'll Be An Anorexic/Alcoholic. . .Stress Sucks!)
To: engrpat
I guess if you are an American citizen, it is ID theft. But if you are an illegal alien, no problem. What’s so hard about this decision? The illegals like to claim they have rights in this country yet they squeal like pigs when the law is applied to them equally.
9 posted on
10/20/2008 12:21:02 PM PDT by
kabar
To: engrpat
"including many who were arrested in raids on meatpacking plants."
Oh no! Not meatpacking plants!
Lamh Foistenach Abu!
10 posted on
10/20/2008 12:21:14 PM PDT by
ConorMacNessa
(HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
To: engrpat
Duh, will they also decide whether or not liquid water is wet?
11 posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:01 PM PDT by
rfp1234
(Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
To: engrpat
If the court should rule that stealing and using someone else's SSN isn't ID theft then we better come up with something to takes its place real fast.
If the court rules that ID Fraud by an Illegal Alien is OK, maybe it is time to push the "Reset" button A.K.A 2nd Amendment.
12 posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:06 PM PDT by
SoConPubbie
(GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
To: engrpat
No doubt the ruling will be 5-4 for or against, depending on whether Anthony Kennedy is having a bad hair day.
To: engrpat
Ok. An American citizen can get someones SS number and commit fraud in that persons name, and they are almost certain to spend some time in a Federal Pen. But the SC has to determine if an illegal allien’s theft meets the same standard? The Founding Fathers are probably rolling in their grave for the one millionth time with our studpity.
14 posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:42 PM PDT by
The South Texan
(The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
To: engrpat
How is it not? What else would it be?
15 posted on
10/20/2008 12:24:03 PM PDT by
mockingbyrd
(When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
To: engrpat
Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa, a Mexican national, worked ... under an assumed name, and false Social Security and alien registration numbers. Perhaps he was getting tired of going by Julie Sinclair and didn't realize what he was doing was illegal. /s
16 posted on
10/20/2008 12:24:09 PM PDT by
HarleyD
To: engrpat
“Defense lawyers have argued that their clients should not be charged with stealing someone elses identity because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didnt know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say.”
Okay, charge them with falsifying official documents, a felony.
18 posted on
10/20/2008 12:26:07 PM PDT by
Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
To: engrpat
What part of "that belong to others" does someone not ubnderstand?
Lawyers have done more to harm this country than illegals, liberals, the Japanese and german Military, and the British army combined.
19 posted on
10/20/2008 12:26:25 PM PDT by
nufsed
To: engrpat
C’mon, they’re just stealing the identities Americans won’t steal. I propose a guest identity thief program.
To: engrpat
... because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didnt know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say. Fraud is fraud, whether it's just the intended employer or the employer and the person to whom the SSN belongs or will belong.
22 posted on
10/20/2008 12:27:29 PM PDT by
skr
(May God confound the enemy)
To: engrpat
No one ever heard of “Equal protection under the law”?
24 posted on
10/20/2008 12:29:05 PM PDT by
Zathras
To: engrpat
Haven’t all the elites already decided that it earns them citizenship?
25 posted on
10/20/2008 12:30:53 PM PDT by
donna
( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.” - Barack Hussein Obama)
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