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1 posted on 10/19/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by MountainLoop
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In the 3rd debate I noticed that Obama refrained from saying anything negative about Ayers in the present, other than he made a mistake 40 years ago. He wanted to make him look normal by saying he was a college professor. Perhaps Obama knew this would come out and is trying to legitimize the Ayers of this decade.


2 posted on 10/19/2008 6:27:34 PM PDT by Michigan CD
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To: MountainLoop

But, but but, the chosen one said he did not know Ayers, the murdering terrorist.


3 posted on 10/19/2008 6:28:40 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Your VERY LIBERTY is in jeopardy!!! We have to win this election or see liberty perish.)
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To: MountainLoop

Obama = Ayers’ sock puppet.


4 posted on 10/19/2008 6:28:52 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Two comparable nature passages – from “Dreams” and Ayers’ memoir, “Fugitive Day,” respectively – scored very nearly identically on the Flesch Reading Ease test.

That is going to leave a mark.


5 posted on 10/19/2008 6:31:22 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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More proof that Obama is the personification of the left’s dream to reform America in its image. If I remember correctly, one leftist academic - perhaps Alinsky - opined that the best route for the leftist reformation of American culture had to be done slowly, piece by piece, until the transformation had taken place without the notice of most people.

It’s almost as if the United States was in a pincher movement between two ideologies who use the long view - Islam on one side, Marxism on the other side, both working slowly and methodically to undermine and replace American culture with their own visions.


6 posted on 10/19/2008 6:31:54 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: MountainLoop

I thought Bill POS Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood?

The liar is unqualified to be president.


8 posted on 10/19/2008 6:35:20 PM PDT by PGalt
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10 posted on 10/19/2008 6:41:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: MountainLoop

How embarrassed is Chris Buckley going to be that he endorsed Obama basically on the strength of his writing abilities.


11 posted on 10/19/2008 6:42:16 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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OK...what could be discovered by rummaging through old files and boxes of the ghost writer? I imagine there could be a set of 5.25” floppies in an old shoebox labeled “BHO”.


13 posted on 10/19/2008 6:44:39 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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too bad this came out after Hannity’s America was made. Everyone who can has to call Rush,Sean and Levin tomorrow
14 posted on 10/19/2008 6:44:50 PM PDT by hecht
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“...just a guy who lives in my neighborhood”—turns out to be just a guy who wrote his book, just a guy responsible for articulating his views and beliefs, just a guy who is an America-despising revolutionary Marxist, just a guy who participated in- and attempted to murder police, soldiers, a judge....just a guy likely coming to the White House with the cardboard cutout he created who is about to be elected president...

Just a guy.


15 posted on 10/19/2008 6:45:30 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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Do you know if anyone has yet asked Obama directly about what role, if any, Ayers had in Dreams?
16 posted on 10/19/2008 6:48:54 PM PDT by afortiori
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To: MountainLoop

For reference by the forum; linked article below includes the
Flesch Reading Ease test mentioned in the threads lead article:

Flesch-Kincaid Readability Test
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch-Kincaid_Readability_Test


17 posted on 10/19/2008 6:49:58 PM PDT by VOA
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Very interesting! I hope this gets some traction.

I also think a little more should come out on Ayers. Someone posted a link to videos of some of Ayers’ former WU buddies, one of whom had apparently genuinely reformed and was horrified by the group he had been part of. He said that he had his moment of realization when, in the aftermath of Kent State, the radicals somehow thought they were really going to take over the US government. They were planning to divide the country up to be occupied by various allies of theirs (Communist Vietnam, China, Cuba, etc.) and then to open “reeducation camps” in the Southwestern deserts.

They estimated that millions of Americans would be sent there, and of those millions, about 25 million would be so resistant to reeducation that they would have to be “eliminated.” The former WU member asked, “You mean, killed?” and had his own personal wake up call when he realized that was exactly what they meant. He said, “here are all these people, maybe 25-30 people, all of them with graduate degrees and the best education in the country, sitting around calmly talking about killing 25 million Americans.” People need to hear more things like that to understand exactly how evil Ayers is and how evil is his puppet, Obama.


22 posted on 10/19/2008 7:00:57 PM PDT by livius
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His related story in American Thinker:

Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama's Dreams

28 posted on 10/19/2008 7:13:17 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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Quidado America!


31 posted on 10/19/2008 7:26:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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Heck, even the Apollo mission quarantine trailer story is fabrication. Any decent timeline point this out.

According to Wikipedia entries: (Mother, Jr, Sr, Splashdown)
Barak's birthday is Aug 4th, 1961.
Parents separated in '63, divorced in, 64.
Mother remarried and moved with Barak Jr to Jakarta in '67.
Barak returned from Jakarta in 71. (Age 10) [Assuming August '71]
Sees father once more at age 10. [Picture on Sr's Wikipedia page suggests Christmas '71]
Mother returned from Jakarta in 72.

Checking NASA's information on the quarantine trailers; they were only used on Apollo 11, 12, and 14 missions; which were July '69, November '69 and February 71.

So:
Barack Jr/Sr were togther for when Jr was 0,1,2 and 10. Hardly times for "first memories". [Usually begin at age 4.]
Barak Jr was in Jakarta during all three lunar landings that used quarantine trailers.
Even if Barak Jr was in Hawaii for these Apollo landings, at two weeks shy of his 8th birthday, he would have been to big to sit on his grandfather's shoulders.
And even if you try to replace Lolo Soetoro for Barak Sr, that definitely predates the lunar landing missions, and most of those had splashdowns in the Atlantic.

33 posted on 10/19/2008 8:13:50 PM PDT by mlstier ("The Right to Privacy does not trump the Right to Life" -- Bill O'Reilly)
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Someone posed an interesting question the other day - in the original printing of Dreams, who is listed on the dedication page?


34 posted on 10/19/2008 8:15:55 PM PDT by itsthejourney (1 of every 10 people you pass in the mall is here illegally)
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I wanted to get to the bottom of who Ayres really was and how he thought so I checked out “Fugitive Days” from the U of L Library. I managed to choke down half of it this past weekend. In literary terms it sucked. I have had better reads come from the sides of cereal boxes.

A few things jumped out at me:

1) Ayres preoccupation with sex. Every chapter either describes or alludes to a sexual act. Now, I’m not a prude, but I prefer the more tasteful stylings of someone like Hemingway or Kerouac, subtle and alluring. Ayres laces his book with overt sexual overtones and illicit affairs that consume at least 1/3 of the book. I know it was the 60’s but gees.

2) On page 14, the first three paragraphs of the new section stood out like red flags. In these paragraphs Ayres recalls the times when he would change his younger brother’s soiled diaper, the situation that would “arise” and how he dealt with said situation. This would not have been so bad if he did not seem to harbor some strange sort of affection described in the following paragraphs. He concludes by stating, “He knew how to keep a secret. Maybe I’m stretching but I was under the distinct impression that something other than normal affection to a sibling had developed.

3) On page 38, 3 paragraphs into the new chapter I read something that sounded extremely familiar;

“The fraternity wasn’t a good fit either, the Beta house being a lot like the prep school I’ just escaped - a crowd of hroney boys all living willingly in a [ now get this] a culture of clinging [ click ] mindless conventionality...”

That to me sounded a whole lot like the “Bitter Clinger” comment made by Obama earlier this spring. Could it be that this phrase is just symptomatic of the lefts loathing of Middle America, or could this be a phrase that the big 0 just happened to pick up from his mentor and incorporated into shtick.

4) Ayres is a typical liberal. The only things that make his different from the millions of other run of the mill leftists out there are his willingness to resort to violence and his relationship with O. He is from a white, privileged background who fell in with Marx in prep school out of a desire to rebel. This fascination with the counter culture was fostered and nurtured during his short stint in college, and eventually took the early form of action as a community organizer.

Points 2 & 3 troubled me the most. Something about that incident from Ayres’ youth was particularly troubling. Yes, it may be irrelevant to in connecting the former terrorists to Sen. Obama, but it provides the general sense of creepiness that just oozes from Ayres’ being. From what I have read Ayres’ would appear to be a sexual deviant determined to overthrow the existing order so as to justify and normalize his past and quite possibly present, sexual behavior.

As for the attempt to connect the writing of Obama’s “Dreams” to Ayres... I can’t speak to that; I have ever bothered to read the big O’s tome. However I do find the correlation with sentiments stated by Ayres in “Fugitive Days” to things Obama has alluded to and statements he has made, the “Bitter Clinger” comments being the most blatant. True this is part of the malady effecting the great masses of the unwashed, as often diagnosed by those enlightened few on the radical left, but the similarity in sentiment and the choice of the word “clinging’ seemed to me to be more than just coincidental.

..... Just some thoughts and observations.


35 posted on 10/19/2008 8:23:14 PM PDT by BluegrassBlogger (Do your part to turn out the vote!!!!!)
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Ayers penned this speech too, obviously.
36 posted on 10/19/2008 8:36:50 PM PDT by Dick Holmes
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