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Mary Warnock: Legalise assisted suicide, for pity's sake
UK Guardian ^ | 10/19/08 | Mary Warnock

Posted on 10/19/2008 11:42:08 AM PDT by wagglebee

The death of Daniel James, the 23-year-old rugby player who visited a Swiss euthanasia clinic last month, is the most appalling burden his parents will ever have to bear, whether or not they are prosecuted, and whether or not they are sent to prison for what they did on his behalf.

They decided to believe him when he said that after he was paralysed in a scrum his life was of no value to him, and that he would prefer death. It was not a sudden decision but one taken over many months, during which he had shown, by attempting suicide, that he was in deadly earnest. They made a deliberate moral choice, and carried it out in what must have been an agonising journey to Switzerland. Their courage has been enormous; but it would be hard to deny that they acted unlawfully.

Not everyone faced with the life that Daniel James foresaw for himself would react in the same way. There are many stories of young people suffering similar injuries who have decided that their lives are still worth living, however limited their physical powers. But there are others who cannot stand the thought of forever being completely dependent on others, however loving. In their eyes, life in itself is not valuable, only the freedom and enjoyment that life gives. Daniel James had time to decide that without such freedom death would be better. It was this decision that his parents respected, allowing him his final freedom to choose

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: Douggles
Insurance/govt offering euthanasia as the ONLY option rather than treatment would only lead to a mass revolt and civil war.

Did you read the link? It's ALREAY being done in Oregon.

We don’t need this kind of alarmism.

This is EXACTLY what the Germans said in the 1930s.

21 posted on 10/19/2008 12:06:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Understood - partially. I think what’s being forgotten is how insecure and paranoid libs are of being anything close to “intolerant” and they will recoil at anything resembling Nazism. it is this very vanity and decietful self-righteousness that will keep the libs from becoming THAT extreme.


22 posted on 10/19/2008 12:06:17 PM PDT by Douggles
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To: wagglebee

Oh please. This is bleeding-heart libs thinking they are being ‘compassionate,’ not on a real, REAL conquest to replicate the nazi era. Relax.


23 posted on 10/19/2008 12:07:37 PM PDT by Douggles
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To: Douggles

Thats what everyone thought about contraception leading to things like infanticide, and the polygamists and such are just waiting to see how this turns out. Slippery slopes are just that, slippery. If no one would do it, why are there so many porn sites that make so much money promoting it? That is just like the gay porn movies/magazines from the 70’s and now its mainstream and ok for Heather to have two mommies


24 posted on 10/19/2008 12:08:16 PM PDT by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: Douggles
Understood - partially. I think what’s being forgotten is how insecure and paranoid libs are of being anything close to “intolerant” and they will recoil at anything resembling Nazism. it is this very vanity and decietful self-righteousness that will keep the libs from becoming THAT extreme.

Nonsense, the left simply introduces new words to make it more palatable, like "choice," "dignity," "quality" and "mercy."

25 posted on 10/19/2008 12:08:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wombtotomb
Excellent post. I disagree with how grsly and graphic to be with children, though. Children are closer to God, and the truth is written in block letters on their sweet hearts.

When my daughter was in 5th grade, her school was taking up a collection to purchase an RIP headstone in memory of aborted babies.

She did not know what an abortion was. I told her it is when a woman does not want to have a baby, she has an operation that takes the baby out of her womb and it dies.

I WILL NEVER FORGET THE LOOK ON HER FACE. Her eyes flew open in abject horror, as though such a thing were the gruesome, unthinkable act that it is. It made her literally sick.

She did not need to see graphic photos of bloody, dismembered children. She is an adult now and marches with me every year in the walk for life.

The little chilldren shall lead them.

26 posted on 10/19/2008 12:10:43 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: OpusatFR

“Everything is incremental.”

Respectfully, I must disagree.

If, as citizens in this Republic are responsible for their own lives, then they have also the right to end their life if they so decide.

The argument against one’s right to suicide is based upon hte concept that the citizen is only the property of the King - and therefore suicide destroys the King’s property.

As a free citizen, one must have the right to suicide.

Having said that, I agree that allowing goobers in any gooberment agency to intrude on such a decision ,must never be allowed.


27 posted on 10/19/2008 12:11:02 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: wagglebee

Fine, be that paranoid if it works for you. I know society is crumbling largely because of lib ideals, but I don’t forsee tanks on the streets anytime soon.

And what of the hypocritical pederasts in our own political stables and churches? We’ve been embarrassed by them of late and they cost us dearly in 2006. We have to purge our own ranks as well.


28 posted on 10/19/2008 12:11:46 PM PDT by Douggles
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To: Douggles
Fine, be that paranoid if it works for you.

I'm sure the same thing was said after Roe v. Wade, and that was 50 MILLION dead babies ago.

29 posted on 10/19/2008 12:14:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: informavoracious

I agree. I think it’s STUPID to have trucks driving around with abortion images that will traumatise children more than educate-by-shock (hell, the “cutter” type of self-mutilator teenager might even LIKE the images). It’s the same thing as aggressive fags sucking on penis shaped lollipops in front of familiies to flaunt their “equality.”


30 posted on 10/19/2008 12:14:14 PM PDT by Douggles
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To: wagglebee

No, Roe vs Wade was an obvious tipping point with immediate implications, none of which I’d argue with. I’m not arguing with you on abortion (which you automatically tie to any conversation you engage in however tangentially related, it looks like). Self/assisted suicide is a wholly different matter to me.


31 posted on 10/19/2008 12:17:53 PM PDT by Douggles
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To: GladesGuru
If, as citizens in this Republic are responsible for their own lives, then they have also the right to end their life if they so decide.

What of those who can't speak for themselves? Teri Schaivo, Baby Doe, etc.

32 posted on 10/19/2008 12:22:52 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: informavoracious

You did not spare your daughter the grisly details of abortion, you just did it age appropriately. Those ARE grisly details, for a 12 year old. Just putting it to words for a child is grisly enough. Most parents abdicate that responsibility, thankfully you did not. I have never shown my children a picture of an abortion-words sufficed. I was referring to the pro abortion public in showing those photos. We tend to keep things a bit too clean and politically correct, much as 9/11 images disappeared due to the fact the images were causing outrage. I work with the youth at my church. They are extremely pro life because we have spoken to them about abortion. People of the Roe v Wade age overlooked one great thing we have on our side as pro lifers now. They forgot to think about what the implications would be when that whole first generation of children grew up knowing they were never safe, even in their mothers womb. These kids feel betrayed by that. They do not feel the sense of security those born before 1973 have inherently felt. They know they survived because their parent chose not to kill them. The psychological ramifications of this alone goes a long way toward understanding the absolute anger and violence in this generation, along with the absolute search they have for unconditional love, and searching for it in all the wrong places. Bravo to you for loving your daughter enough to tell her the truth and keep fighting the good fight! God Bless you both for your faithfulness!


33 posted on 10/19/2008 12:24:10 PM PDT by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: GladesGuru

“As a free citizen, one must have the right to suicide.

Having said that, I agree that allowing goobers in any gooberment agency to intrude on such a decision ,must never be allowed.”

Some docs will only allow two weeks on a respirator. I’ve seen people who are otherwise conscious and alert and responding to the staff taken off after two weeks and die. Wean off or die. No choice. A lot of it is due to Medicare reimbursements or insurance matters.

Under Universal (Rationed) Healthcare, you won’t get a choice.


34 posted on 10/19/2008 12:25:20 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Retiring to my swamp for the next decade on November 5, 2008)
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To: wombtotomb

Paragraphs are our FRiends. Spell-check is on our side, too.


35 posted on 10/19/2008 12:29:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: GladesGuru
People can commit suicide. There is no (enforceable law) against Suicide, because once the deed is done, there's no going back. The heart of this matter is other people helping others kill themselves, like going to a euthanasia place, like this boy did. The thing is, you maybe able to take your own life, and have no legal consensus, however, the person who helped kill you, should they be charged with murder?

My opinion, yes, because whether or not that person wanted to died, they still killed them.

36 posted on 10/19/2008 12:32:52 PM PDT by Toki
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To: Tax-chick
I have corrected the sp and paragraphs. I would rather have grammar police than thought police so I concede :)

Pro lifers brought a knife to a gunfight most of these years.

The last couple of years, the vitriol of the pro baby killers has risen substantially. We have now brought a gun to a missile fight. I am sorry, but this thing has come to a head now, and I believe it is the Lord our God who has done it.

Here's why.

During my lifetime, I have never seen 2 sides having a candidate who so clearly illustrate the scripture “I put before you both death, and life; CHOOSE LIFE”. I believe this is Gods ‘calling to account” moment in History for our country. By this election He will either remove his Providence from a nation who clearly does not want him here, or he will pour out his spirit for those who have correctly chosen life.

We have fought, but not with all our being these thirty years. We have not informed the public to the horrors because people found it too objectionable. Our youth has been “spared” the grisly details by well meaning parents and clergy, with only the very few “extremists” showing and telling the truth.

We ALL must become right to life extremists! If Humane Vitae taught us nothing, it showed us prophetically the decline of morality ahead of time. We did not stop it, we called it “progress”. 50% of catholics divorce, think some form of abortion is OK, and will VOTE for obama!

Wake UP America, the next defenseless “infirmity” may be your OWN- elderly, mentally or physically challenged etc... We already have an African American genocide, and a rush to eliminate the poor among us (abortion clinics 2 main targets on a grand scale since already 90% of medically deficient babies are already aborted!)

Wake up and fight! This message IS objectionable, so BE objectionable! You can try coating Sh*t with sugar, but IT DOESN”T WORK! We need to stop letting them lick the SUGAR and EAT THE SH*T!

We will all meet our maker one day, how will YOU answer the question- What did you do with the free will I gave you? Did you fight for the least among you or did you worry about the economy, gas prices, etc... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT with all you HAVE!

37 posted on 10/19/2008 12:45:40 PM PDT by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: wombtotomb

That’s an improvement.


38 posted on 10/19/2008 12:54:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thank you, and I will try my best to continue in the future.


39 posted on 10/19/2008 12:57:17 PM PDT by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: Douggles; wagglebee
Assisted 'suicide' and abortion differ primarily in age and venue. Both involve persons taking part in the killing of someone whose life has been deemed without intrinsic value.

The article itself refers to the burden on the parents, whether they are criminally prosecuted or not. If it's not immoral, what's the burden?

40 posted on 10/19/2008 12:57:48 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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