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Little Murders [Bishop Chaput Slams Obama on Abortion & Blasts Kmiec for Misleading Catholics]
Publ;ic Discourse ^ | Oct 18, 2008 | Charles J. Chaput

Posted on 10/17/2008 5:32:11 PM PDT by Diago

Edited on 10/18/2008 5:17:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In an address delivered on October 17, Archbishop Charles J. Chaput stated that ''Prof. Douglas Kmiec has a strong record of service to the Church and the nation in his past. But I think his activism for Senator Barack Obama, and the work of Democratic-friendly groups like Catholics United and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, have done a disservice to the Church, confused the natural priorities of Catholic social teaching, undermined the progress pro-lifers have made, and provided an excuse for some Catholics to abandon the abortion issue instead of fighting within their parties and at the ballot box to protect the unborn.''


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KEYWORDS: abortion; antichrist; archbishopchaput; babykillers; babykilling; catholic; infanticide; kmiec; obama; obamabinladen; plannedbarrenhood; prolife; rcc; righttolife
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1 posted on 10/17/2008 5:32:11 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago

Great letter! He says so many things and says them so briefly and well that it would be hard to beat.


2 posted on 10/17/2008 5:40:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; Mr. Silverback; cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser; wagglebee; topher

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3 posted on 10/17/2008 5:40:55 PM PDT by Diago (The Truth About Margaret Sanger at http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic and pro-life ping!


4 posted on 10/17/2008 5:42:36 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (This Papist for Palin ask everyone to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: Diago
Archbishop Chaput on FNC Cavuto Program on Pelosi, Biden (From August 28, 2008).
5 posted on 10/17/2008 5:43:36 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (This Papist for Palin ask everyone to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: Diago

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6 posted on 10/17/2008 5:44:58 PM PDT by scratcher (I trust the media about as much as I trust al Qaeda.)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

7 posted on 10/17/2008 5:45:02 PM PDT by narses (http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace)
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To: narses

God bless you stand tall pro-life Catholics. This pro-life protestant is with you, not behind you but along side of you. Pray without ceasing. Jesus is King of kings, Lord of lords, no other.


8 posted on 10/17/2008 5:54:56 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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Douglas Kmiec Exposed: Catholic Obama Backer Takes Pro-Abortion Position

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
October 17
, 2008

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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Pepperdine University law professor Douglas Kmiec has been heralded as a leading pro-life Catholic scholar who happens to support Barack Obama. Kmiec has been making a supposedly pro-life case for Obama but he appeared to expose himself as an abortion advocate in a new editorial.

Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Kmiec appears to take a "personally opposed but" position that actually allows for legal abortions despite a claim to support abortion.

As one leading pro-life observer notes, this is the first time Kmiec has betrayed his own apparently pro-abortion position when defending Obama's abortion stance.

Kmiec employs the same kind of "abortion is between a woman, her doctor and God" argument Obama himself utilized in the Wednesday night presidential debate to defend his own view supporting abortion for any reason throughout pregnancy.

"Sometimes the law must simply leave space for the exercise of individual judgment, because our religious or scientific differences of opinion are for the moment too profound to be bridged collectively," Kmiec writes.

"When these differences are great and persistent, as they unfortunately have been on abortion, the common political ideal may consist only of that space. This does not, of course, leave the right to life undecided or unprotected," he adds.

Kmiec concludes his admission that present abortion law must continue to allow legal abortions by calling abortion a "sensitive moral decision" that "depend[s] on religious freedom and the voice of God as articulated in each individual's voluntary embrace of one of many faiths."

Kmiec's stunning admission wasn't lost on National Review writer Ramesh Ponnuru.

Ponnuru says the Kmiec piece is "pretty clearly an endorsement of the view that given the existence of moral conflict over abortion, the compromise position we should adopt is to be pro-choice."

"Obviously I disagree with that view. But agree or disagree, it's not the spiel Kmiec has been giving for most of the year," he explains.

'The previous argument has been that someone who favors legal protection for the unborn should be willing to support Obama even though he is pro-choice. Now we're being told that we should support Obama by jettisoning our views about the appropriate legal status of abortion," Ponnuru writes.

"Again, there are people who believe that 'personal opposition' to abortion is a sensible and coherent position. But it is just a repackaging of the Mario Cuomo position with the addition of a 'pro-life' label," he concludes.

Father Frank Pavone, the director of Priests for Life, tells LifeNews.com he agrees.

He explains: "This reminds me of the question I posed to Senator Chuck Shumer after he made a speech on the Senate floor in which he said, 'Some people believe life begins at conception, others believe it begins at birth, and others believe it begins sometime in between. Everyone has the right to believe what they want. So we legislators should not be trying to decide the issue for them.'"

Pavone adds: "My question was, 'What about the people who believe life begins sometime after birth? Do they too have the right to believe what they want? And how many of them have to believe the newborn isn’t human before we remove protection from the newborn?'"

The bottom line for Pavone is: "Human beings who are not protected cannot wait for a 'consensus' before they are protected. Justice demands that they be protected now, no matter how many people, including politicians, think they shouldn’t."



9 posted on 10/17/2008 5:59:54 PM PDT by Diago (The Truth About Margaret Sanger at http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: Diago
So I think that people who claim that the abortion struggle is ''lost'' as a matter of law, or that supporting an outspoken defender of legal abortion is somehow ''prolife,'' are not just wrong; they're betraying the witness of every person who continues the work of defending the unborn child. And I hope they know how to explain that, because someday they'll be required to.

Powerful statement. I will pass it on to my Obama-supporting-Catholic-brother-in-law.

10 posted on 10/17/2008 6:03:04 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Diago
It's wonderful to hear most of our Bishops coming out loud and strong against candidates who promote abortion. However Cardinal Georges comment about living in a country drenched in blood while true I have to wonder how he justifies keeping someone like Fr. Flager as pastor of St. Sabina as he is pushing for Obama? Given how strongly Obama champions abortion every Cardinal and Bishop should lead the charge against him and his party platform and if they don't they should be removed from their positions. The fact that about 1/2 the so called Catholics would vote for pro abort Obama into office tells me the silence on this issue in many many Catholic churches across this land for many years. As for Mr. Kemic I'm not sure he has ever been a real Catholic. He should be ashamed of himself.
11 posted on 10/17/2008 6:17:06 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Diago

I like the title of this address too. Very much to the point: “Little Murders.”


12 posted on 10/17/2008 6:17:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diago

btt


13 posted on 10/17/2008 6:18:10 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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14 posted on 10/17/2008 6:18:42 PM PDT by Diago (The Truth About Margaret Sanger at http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: Diago

As a Catholic, I feel the Church needs to speak out more forcefully. They should not allow any politician who support legal abortion to remain in the Church. The Catholic Church needs to tells it’s members to take a stand or leave!!! I lovingly remember my Irish grandmother saying the rosary in between her soap operas. If she knew that 40 million babies were killed, disabled babies born alive and allowed to die, she would know what to say to these so called pro choice Catholics. It is time that the Church leaders do the same. To have Andrew Greeley, a Jesuit priest, writing editorials condemning Sarah Palin, a woman who has chosen life, is unbelievable to me.


15 posted on 10/17/2008 6:23:14 PM PDT by MaryAnne
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To: Diago

Very clear and very right.

One thing that people should think about is that, in theory, if one of these socialist candidates would step away from supporting intrinsic evils, they could in theory be supported by Catholics in good conscience.

But that never happens. Why?

Because socialism is evil.

It goes hand-in-hand with all this other stuff.


16 posted on 10/17/2008 6:24:38 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: MaryAnne

I agree. The bishops need to stop being so weak. They need a no-nonsense, unequivocal message.

Here’s an email I sent to Bishop Chaput:

To Bishop Chaput:

God bless you, Bishop!

I always look forward to reading your articles on this subject, and you always hit a homerun with it.

I am deeply saddened and disgusted with the way Catholics, even one of my best friends, rationalizes this issue. There is nothing more important than protecting the life of the unborn. I deeply fear what will happen to our nation if we elect Obama.

Please continue to be vocal in this crusade and bring more people with you.

I will pray for you that you can be a strong, fervent voice for the other U.S. Bishops, when you get together with them next month.

I strongly believe that the bishops need to have a much more committed, convicted, and unequivocal message on how this issue predominates a decision to vote for a candidate. More than ever, we need the bishops’ leadership on this issue. Please don’t let them get away with weakening that message.

Thank you again for your devotion.


17 posted on 10/17/2008 6:30:25 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Diago

Great read, great points, great direction.


18 posted on 10/17/2008 6:34:57 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: B Knotts

I’ve thought about that, too.

I think you’ve made a great point.

If God wanted socialism, he would have given us one to vote for who was pro-life.

There is something fundamentally perverted about the socialism philosophy which, no matter what anybody says, is not truly Christian at all.


19 posted on 10/17/2008 6:36:02 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: MaryAnne
Not the first time something written by the walking dead Greeley has made me sick. He's a Jesuit so I question weather he's a real Catholic anyway. However I think the Church should put the decrepit old creep in a rest home somewhere and not let him communicate with the outside world. It's people of his ilk that confuse some of our less than informed Catholics.
20 posted on 10/17/2008 6:38:41 PM PDT by mimaw
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