Posted on 10/14/2008 11:16:19 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I apologise in advance because this email may be a little longer, but it has some very important information that you need to know if you've been following the election in the MSM (mainstream media) even just a little. Please read this all the way through. If you've followed the news, by now you are aware that John McCain is down in the polls. Way down. Hideously down, so far down that he will never, ever, not in a million years possibly recover from the abyss into which his campaign has slipped. For the past two weeks, poll after national poll has shown Obama leading anywhere from 5-10%. Today's Battleground Poll has Obama up by 13 points. McCain's slipping behind in all the battleground states, and Obama is headed for a massive, Reagan-style landslide victory on Nov. 4. It sure looks hopeless for Senator McCain!
Right?
Wrong. What you are seeing is called "cooking the polls". And here's how it works.
We all know that the MSM - the conglomeration of major TV networks, newspapers, weekly news magazines, etc. - are very, very, very, very, very much in the tank for Obama this year. They're not even making a pretense at objectivity this time around. It's so bad that people from other countries, who basically know nothing about our political system, have commented to me that the media are overtly biased towards Obama and the Democrats. That's how bad it is. Well, the first thing to keep in mind is that pretty much all of the major polling houses - Rasmussen, Gallup, Zogby, Battleground, and so forth - are a part of this MSM conglomeration. Many times, they are headed by Democrats, or by people who at least sympathise with leftist politics, and nearly always they have a financial interest in providing the "right" results and keeping the news entities happy. The polling houses hook up with the media outlets, because the media outlets are the ones most willing to pay for polls to be produced - this generates a steady stream of reportable news every three-four days for the talking heads to analyse at length, which helps to keep interest (and viewership/readership) high. Did you ever notice how many polls include LA Times/CBS/NBC/Fox News/Chicago Tribune/ABC/Time or other news outlets in their titles? That's because of this MSM-polling house dance.
Now, since we know the MSM is in the tank for Obama, and since we know that the polling houses are often led and staffed by people sympathetic to Democrats anywise, and since we know that the polling houses are often hooked up more or less directly with the MSM, it stands to reason that there would be a certain slant to the polls being produced and reported by the MSM, would it not? And indeed there IS a slant - towards Obama and the Democrats.
But guess what? This isn't just my opinion, it's not just a hunch. It's verifiable from the polls themselves.
One lesson we should all learn about the polls we see reported in the MSM is to look at what are called the "internals" of the poll - the reported demographic and partisan breakdowns of the respondants, and the proportional weights being attached to each which are used to calculate the final "result" of the poll. While race and age are important as weighting factors, the one we see being monkeyed with the most in recent polling is the partisan breakdown. Essentially, what a pollster does is "weighs" the data he or she receives from the respondants who answer his or her questions. This weighting depends on what the pollster perceives to be the "right" partisan breakdown for a state or for the national scene. Usually, this just involves getting X number of respondents who are Republicans, Y who are Dems, and Z who are Independents, and using their data.
Seems logical, right? If I'm a pollster, and I want a more accurate poll, if I'm polling a state where the partisan breakdown is 35% D - 33% R - 32% I, then I will try to obtain a data set which mimics that breakdown as closely as possible (and will, at the same time, try to do the same thing with gender, age, and race for the target population). Well, it IS logical, and would work reasonably well - within the margin of error inherent in any statistical sample.
The problem - and this is my point - is that the polls we are seeing coming out with huge Obama leads, do not mirror demographic or partisan reality at all.
Newsbusters.org has an excellent article detailing with this sort of polling trickery, which I'll link to and also excerpt below:
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In the kitchens of the Associated Press, it's almost as if the wire service asked its chief cook -- er, pollster -- GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media, to do the following:
Of course we don't know if the differences between AP-CfK's Sept. 5-10 and Sept. 27-30 results were created deliberately, but the results sure look suspicious (both polls are available at PDF links found at AP-GfK's home page).
The more recent poll shows Obama with a 7-point lead among likely voters, both with and without leaners; the earlier poll showed McCain with a 5-point lead with leaners, and 4 points without.
Almost all of this 12-point swing (11 points with leaners) is more than likely almost completely due to major differences between the two polls' samples:
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Blumer then proceeds to point out the huge change in partisan breakdown between the poll taken Sept 5-10, and the one taken Sept. 27-30, and shows the latter poll's internals for party as a picture in his article (click the URL to see). You may access the internals for both polls to see for yourself by clicking the link embedded in the portion I excerpted. Essentially, in the Sept 5-10 poll, the partisan breakdown was 33% D - 31% R, which is pretty accurate - even this year, the Democrats only have a ~2% advantage in voter registration, a trend which follows actual exit polls from 2006 and 2004.
Lo and behold, in the Sept. 27-30 poll, the partisan breakdown suddenly became 40% D - 29% R. What DIDN'T happen is that millions of people suddenly up and switched party affiliations. Rather, what DID happen is that the Associated Press altered the "mix" of voters whose data were included in formulating the poll. Essentially, the Republicans went from a 2% deficit (right) to an 11% deficit (wrong) in partisan affiliation.
The result - predictably - is that (with leaners included), McCain went from winning by 5% to losing by 7%. That's a 12% net change. Now, isn't it interesting how this 12% net change is almost exactly the same amount as the net change in party affiliation difference? Blumer calculates that, if the partisan ratio had been the same in the latter poll, that McCain would have been up 3-4%. Essentially, the AP invented a poll to show Obama way ahead.
Friends, that is the polling equivalent of Mama's home cookin'.
But guess what? This isn't the only poll that's found it's way through a MSM kitchen. I've looked at the internals for a NUMBER of different polls over the past couple of weeks, and they all seem to have the same trend - oversampling of Democrats and undersampling of Republicans. I've seen it so many times in the past week that it's a truism for me now. Let me point out one example from last Friday. Newsweek published a poll on 10 Oct which showed Obama with an 11 point lead (52%-41%). Click on http://www.newsweek.com/id/163337 to see the poll, there will be an Adobe acrobat file with the internals that will pop up automatically. The demographic profile on pg. 19 of the Adobe file is the information of interest. Notice that we see a partisan breakdown of 40% D - 27% R in registered voters who were polled. That's a 13% divide - a lot different from the roughly 2% divide that actually exists nationally.
Folks, this is why we're seeing the slew of terrible polling for McCain for the past two-three weeks. The media are trying to generate momentum for Obama. The MSM is trying to convince voters that the recent economic problems are causing McCain trouble and benefitting Obama, when (if the polls were actually accurate) this is probably not the case.
Just over the past two days, I've seen some pretty ridiculous polling claims by the MSM. They've claimed Obama is up by 15 in Pennsylvania, even though all the evidence on the ground says otherwise. They've claimed Obama is leading in WV, which is patently ridiculous. One poll came out today saying that Obama is leading in North Dakota - a state Bush won by 27% in 2004. A poll yesterday said Obama is leading in Missouri by 8%. Folks, I spend over the first two thirds of my life in Missouri, living in both rural and suburban settings, so I know the state. Obama is NOT ahead by 8% in Missouri.
There is MSM-driven poll cooking going on, folks, and the purpose is to try to demoralise people who would vote for McCain, trying to get us to not come out and vote on Nov. 4. Don't buy into it. The MSM is trying to hoodwink us, trying to make us think that Obama is "inevitable", when he is anything but. Please, get out and vote McCain on Election Day, get your friends and family to come out for McCain, get anyone you can who will vote for McCain to come out, even if you have to drive them yourself. We need to overcome the ACORN vote fraud, the Democrat dead people's vote, and the MSM poll-cooking and win one for the country!
Great post and I did read the whole thing.
What is surprising is the over the top attitude of not only the LSM and these pollsters but the entire thugocracy truth squads including elected officials trying to stymie anything they see as negative wrt to 0. They’ve abandoned any pretense of objectivity.
If he loses, there will be a lot of civil unrest and these enablers will be to a great degree responsible.
John Kerry 48% George Bush 44%(day before election day, 2004)
Rasmussen is polling Dems +6.3.
LOL! The Whitehouse will be repainted pink to honor the biggest vote pimp in American History!
Here’s the thing, the pollsters have an incentive to be RIGHT. It doesn’t do them any good to put out bad polls. They need to be right in order to preserve their reputation. It doesn’t make sense that they would purposely skew their polls to favor a particular side if they know that it is wrong - it’s bad for business to wrong.
I hope they do this again. As you said, not all of the internals are available to perform this normalization. And even the basic internals that are released to the general public need more information to make this work.
I would suspect that McCain has lost a lot of ground since the Sept 5-10 poll done by Newsbusters.
Actually no, they are going for the odumbo voter and are definitely cooking the polls.
Among a measure of “likely” voters that takes into account the individuals’ past voting histories, Obama leads 50%-46%. (Margin of error: +/- 4 percentage points”
gallup/USA today poll saids it is a tie
Thanks for the post. This has a lot of good information in it.
Among a measure of “likely” voters that takes into account the individuals’ past voting histories, Obama leads 50%-46%. (Margin of error: +/- 4 percentage points”
gallup/USA today poll saids it is a tie
They have an incentive to be right in the final week of polling before the election. Until then, well, game on.
Think of it this way - how could YOU, St. Louis Conservative, know if a poll showing Obama ahead by 10 right now was really right or not? There's no way. The election is not tomorrow, so there's no way to actually test the empirical validity of the poll's prediction. Similarly, I can't say with absolute certainty that the numbers we're seeing are wrong. BUT, I can say that based upon the wildly skewed partisan breakdowns we are seeing, the likelihood of these polls being accurate is very low.
As has been pointed out, the polls will tighten the final week, if for no other reason than the polling houses need to start simulating actual, accurate numbers and will thus adjust their methodologies accordingly. And as has been pointed out, these numbers will in all likelihood STILL be skewed leftward, just not by nearly as much.
1. What are the leanings of the independents being polled? Is that information available/tracked and if so, how are liberals weighted vs. conservatives? History of exit polls tells us that more people in this country lean conservative than liberal.
2. How many of the Dems being polled are African-American? If a disproportionate number are AA, then a higher percentage of dummies would be voting for Barry. Are disaffected white democrats being amply represented in the polls?
3. Are assumptions about dem turnout being influenced by ACORN registrations that will not result in votes? Do they take into consideration Operation Chaos? I think that +3% dem will be the maximum difference in the actual election.
Bottom line is that if historic turnout models were being followed instead of presumptions based on projections (AGW computer models anyone?), McCain would consistently poll within the MOE and would fluctuate between slightly behind and slightly ahead.
You may very well be right. The incessant drumbeat of negativism and bogus poll numbers in the MSM surely are having some effect on the undecided and on the weak-willed. Likewise, it's NOT like McCain has really been handling himself well the past couple of weeks. I'm sorry, but why on earth would he more or less tell a crowd of his own supporters that Obama's a swell guy, and you don't need to fear an Obama administration? Stupid stupid stupid!
All the same, I do NOT believe 0bama is up by the 5-10 points that the MSM is saying he is. My gut instinct tells me that it's tied, with maybe a very, very slight McCain advantage (as in 1 point, which is statistical in pretty much any poll).
We can't give up now, for either reason. We can't ust look at the cooked polls, know that they are cooked, and assume that we really have this huge, massive lead and can all sit back and coast until election day. Likewise, we cannot look at the cooked polls and conclude that all hope is lost and we might as well tune out until 2012. Wherever the true numbers are at, we need to WORK like the current polling is dead-on accurate.
The real work is bringing this message (that the polls are wrong) to the undecided and swing voters. Since the MSM is in bed with Obama and the DEMs, I am not sure how that gets done.
Soul food or Halal?
That's why I posted this in the first place. It wasn't so I could have a vanity and have FReepers tell me how wonderfully smart (or pitifully stupid) I am! It was to provide a ready-made template for an email that other FReepers could pass on other Republicans, as well as undecideds. Let the other Republicans know that the polls are faked so that they don't get discouraged and quit, and so that they can pass on this same information to yet more Republicans. Let the undecideds know so that they will be inoculated against the polling and perhaps even made mad by the fact that the MSM is trying to hoodwink them.
The most current Gallup info indicates the following on party breakdowns
October 5 data
32% of independents favor McCain 23% favor Obama
Let me clarify this little buried gem:
McCain leads among Independents by almost double digits.
One trick I have noticed is that democrats are broken into three subgroups where Republicans are broken into two. It appears that 26% of Dems will break for McCain whereas 23% of Republicans will break for Obama.
Now ask yourself, how can Gallup put Obama ten points ahead?
The correct answer is over sample liberal democrats. There is not other way. Take a look for your self.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108049/Candidate-Support-Political-Party-Ideology.aspx
Many here truly appreciate the effort you took in creating your post. My only concern is that many of the undecided and swing voters tend to act on sound bites and brief news items (I personally know a few voters like this). I’m afraid much of your hard work would be lost to a majority of these voters.
I certainly understand your concern about that, and you're right. Often, the reason voters are undecided and swinging this late in the game is because they don't really pay attention. Maybe we need to find a way to break this down to a short two-three paragraph equivalent when explaining/sending it to them? I know I can be pretty wordy, so I'm sure a LOT of fat could be cut from the text of the email.
Bump.....
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