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The Blue/Red divide in America is irreconcilable. The divide is both cultural and ideological. Both visions of America have their roots in the Left's preference for equality over all other values and in the Right's embrace of freedom over equality. The American Left wants America to be like Europe. The American Right insists upon American exceptionalism and emphasis on American greatness, patriotism, family and traditional values. The Left believes in universalism, America being the root of all evil, in multiculturalism and in moral relativism. The two contending political ideologies in America will NEVER have a meeting of the minds because each sees America differently and each wants America to become a different kind of country. As Dennis Prager writes, the Left knows precisely what kind of America it wants. The Right does not realize that and thinks the Left loves America as much as it does. Its time for that illusion to be dispelled once and for all.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 10/13/2008 10:09:18 PM PDT by goldstategop
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Repeat: That's why all the crap about 0bama being a uniter is, well...just CRAP.
2 posted on 10/13/2008 10:17:05 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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My best example of a Leftist argument is regarding so-called “racial profiling” when it comes to minorities.

It is racial profiling when it means catching criminals and the ACLU gets involved with Rev. Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc. BUT when it comes to racial quotas, affirmative action and college admissions, those not wanting to be profiled for crimes against society are wildly waving their hands to be identified as minorities when the system grants them an unearned free pass.

The Liberal likes no profiling, no punishment and forced diversity in the workforce, irrespective of ability, tests or experience.


3 posted on 10/13/2008 10:17:29 PM PDT by wac3rd (The MSM will accompany the Captain of the SS Marxist Titanic to the bottom of Lake Michigan)
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The Left wants America to look as much like Western European countries as possible. The Left wants Europe's quasi-pacifism, cradle-to-grave socialism, egalitarianism and secularism in America. The Right wants none of those values to dominate America.

No.

The pundits like Prager and Hewitt still don't get it.

The Obamas of the world want far worse than that.

They want Cuba, N. Korea, USSR.

The evidence is right in their faces, with ACORN trying to perpetrate massive vote fraud. Just one example.

Another: Obama pretends he's pro-gun, while he receives an F rating from the NRA, and F- ratining from GOA.

F rating means "Elimination of 2nd Amendment."

When are the so-called "conservative" soft pundits like Prager and Hewitt going to wake up?

Why don't they mention Obama's support for Odinga?

They can't believe Obama is that bad?

Of course Country Club Hewitt would dismiss people like me as "one of the nutters."

4 posted on 10/13/2008 10:21:53 PM PDT by FlyVet
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I’ll take the right version of America anyday. Its what America was founded on. It IS America.


5 posted on 10/13/2008 10:22:47 PM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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Dennis, you missed something: The Left so wants to dominate the nation and force-feed its version of America to the entire population that it is willing to lie, to cheat, to steal, to destroy innocents, etc. to accomplish its goals. It also seeks to completely disarm the civilian population so that it will face no resistance. The Right seeks no such domination, though it is well-armed and well-trained enough to resist considerable pressure by the armed agents of the Left (including, if need be, the military - or those rogue members who would betray their oaths to the Constitution).


6 posted on 10/13/2008 10:23:02 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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The problem is that, the Left still wants all of the bounty created by a free, open economy. How many young lefties (the casual kind, not the hardcore moonbat kind) would do without the vast array of electronics, clothing, food, and other consumer product choices they currently enjoy? How many would do without the employment opportunities they have and the chance to gain wealth?

This is what will doom the Left. Most who support it do so for mostly social reasons, as well as social issue reasons. It’s the cool thing to do, as the rest of their peers are doing so. But when it gets down to dollars and cents, look out. Unfortunately it looks like it’s going to take living under some form of significant redistribution for them to ‘get it’. Gays, abortion, and the environment won’t seem so significant when they aren’t getting ahead economically.

I think the challenge for the Right will be able to incorporate these younger folks into their movement as they grow older, gain responsibilities, and become concerned about their taxes and jobs. A libertarian move by the GOP that embraces a co-existence between the socially liberal and socially conservative while advancing economic freedom could make the Right ascendant for some time. Unfortunately, the Rove strategy took the GOP down the opposite path, making the GOP a pure social conservative party while moving its economic policies generally leftward. The GOP needs to become the ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ party again.


7 posted on 10/13/2008 10:23:51 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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I was with Dennis up until the last sentence. If you listen to Rush, you would have to disagree with Dennis on that one. (Whoops, sorry, Dennis, that’s right: you’re both on at the same time of day...)


8 posted on 10/13/2008 10:27:50 PM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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For these and other reasons, calls for a unity among Americans that transcends Left and Right are either naive or disingenuous. America will be united only when one of them prevails over the other. The Left knows this. Most on the Right do not.

We know it. We also know what 'prevail' actually means in the context of irreconcilable differences within a nation. Americans on the Right will NOT, no matter how much the media propagandizes, no matter how many words are thrown around to stigmatize and silence, no matter how clever the psuedo-intellectual 'intelligentsia' thinks they are, be ruled, i.e., "prevailed" over by those that would destroy everything America stands for.

9 posted on 10/13/2008 10:39:47 PM PDT by spodefly (Recycling the same posts in multiple threads for seven years!)
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For the first time in history, there are now numerically more takers than givers in this country. More voters who pay no taxes than there are voters who do pay taxes. It was only a matter of time before the takers wrested control of our government and our culture. We are on the brink. The downward slide will be swift unless we can find a way to reverse the trend.


10 posted on 10/13/2008 10:58:42 PM PDT by giotto
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Bringing back the poll tax might help but ACORN would just be there handing out our tax dollars to pay it for them.

I could say it started with women’s sufferage which did help but really it all goes back to when we stopped only allowing property owners to vote.

Right now, nearly 65% of voters pay either no income tax nationally or the lowest rate.


11 posted on 10/13/2008 11:05:06 PM PDT by wardaddy (I believe the undead mainstream media poses a bigger threat to us than radical Islam..)
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"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Thank you, Dennis Prager, for doing us this service in the new millennium. But what's the secret word to let us know when it's time for the red counties to separate from the blue?

12 posted on 10/13/2008 11:09:36 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Obama can act presidential. McCain should be President.)
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I'm on the right, and I’ve always known, what the left is all about. Every leftist to me is a cancer cell, and America, like the human body can never be well until every cancer cell is eliminated. I also realize that in the end, the American military, will be the radiation and chemotherapy that rids The United States of this malignancy.
13 posted on 10/13/2008 11:39:03 PM PDT by A6M3
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It took awhile for us to realize the Islamic Extremists had declared war on us and it has also taken awhile for us to realize we are in our on Civil War, too.

If we want to win this Civil War its time to face the fact that our trust in the vote can not co-exist with the left also voting. That means it is time to split the country up. Kick out New England and the big cities like New York, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, San Fransisco, and Los Angeles.

They can be Canadians or whatever.

We can make it without them.


15 posted on 10/14/2008 12:18:20 AM PDT by Oklahoma
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Compare these two maps. Scary isn't it.


18 posted on 10/14/2008 3:32:56 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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The Right wants gays to have equal rights,

Wrong. I want PEOPLE to have equal rights.

21 posted on 10/14/2008 5:19:19 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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I’d like to think there is still a Center (maybe Center-Right) in the USA. The left-leaning MSM has so mis-behaved to trample the meaning of a “free press”. The so-called Left’s tolerance of dissent has been shown to be a sham, they have no scruples, except to use vile tactics to shutdown debate. The RINOs haven’t helped either, they’ve been co-opted by Government’s power. I wish we really could find a way to “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” and “We the People, ...” to re-invigorate the American brand of individual responsbility with minimal Government intervention.


22 posted on 10/14/2008 5:45:18 AM PDT by papersonusa
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The Left envisions an egalitarian society. The Right does not. The Left values equality above other values because it yearns for an America in which all people have similar amounts of material possessions.

I wonder if the left would demand that the wealth of the Hollywood glitterati, the media talking heads, the George Soroses of the world, and the labor union bosses be forcibly distributed among the proletariat.

24 posted on 10/14/2008 1:01:35 PM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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Good article. It’s the same reason Sarah Palin has been attacked unmercifully by the left.


25 posted on 10/14/2008 1:16:59 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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Are there any politicians that fight for the Red side anymore? GW and McCain sure aren't and I couldn't even begin to tell you who the Minority House and Senate leaders are.
26 posted on 10/14/2008 1:24:29 PM PDT by Sawdring
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