[manc]

anyone else notice how a few newns have come on recently arguing for homo sham marraige and have their perverted scik twisted views forced on to us
well for those newbs who are here to spread homo views forget it I with my kids and normal natural family will never accept your perverted sick lifestyle

hello newbie

yea right
that sounds like a homo argument, so should I have 9 wives as like you said it is a right ARF no it is not.

should I marry my daughter, we’re not interfering with you, we are not hurting you, it is our business

SARC

so newbie are you pro homo?

[ChurchStateSentry]

I don't know what is worse, your understanding of American ideals or your understanding of logic. Marriage is a contract. It entails certain rights in court, as the state enforces contracts in court. It is not inherently between a man and a woman because it's not enforced with any specific sexual roles. The man doesn't rule the family in statutory law, the woman isn't obligated to cook or even put out when she doesn't want to. Most importantly, you don't have to have kids to be married, nor do you have to be married to have kids either, or even be able to have kids at all biologically.

What about a couple of 89 year olds, straight but unable to have kids, unlikely enough to be crazy enough to adopt at their age. There is no problem with them perverting the sacred baby making contract. It is a bond between two people with certain spelled out rights and responsibilities.

Making babies is an optional part of marriage, with laws covering that option (IF YOU CHOOSE TO EXERCISE THAT OPTION), and marriage is optional for making babies, but there are still laws binding mothers and fathers to support children they have conceived or adopted. It isn't about a kid having a right to a father and a mother. If you divorce the mother of your child you may owe child support or maybe alimony, but the court doesn't and can't force you to be a good father too. The mom isn't ordered to go out and find a new dad in 90 days if she's widowed or abandoned. We don't give the state that much power, at least in my America.

Look, if you hate fags, fine, don't marry one. Some people hate blacks or Catholics or Mormons. Whatever hobby keeps you in hate juice is your right as an American. We founded America so Catholics in Maryland wouldn't be second class citizens like they would have been in Ireland under the British state Episcopal religion, so Quakers in Pennsylvania wouldn't suffer like they did in Oliver Cromwell's Puritan republic, so Protestant Huguenots would not die in the streets because Catholics wanted the French monarchy to stay Catholic, and so Jews could be non-Christian without the government sanctioned hate that eventually led to Auschwitz.

If your church denies homos marriage, fine. They can get a secular marriage or marry in a church that does love them. We just can't have the state institutionalize discrimination. As for marrying your daughter, or enjoying necrophilia or bestiality, remember, contract law (marriage) is only allowed and enforced between consenting partners. Animals, corpses and minors cannot give informed consent. I think polygamy is covered under the nature of the contract, it is between 2 people. It doesn't cover the rights and responsibilities of more than 2 people. It could be rewritten that way if the voters chose, as long as you didn't have sickos in rural Texas or Utah railroading minors into forced marriages, but I don't see voters or the courts doing that.

My point is, America doesn't sponsor one approved religion, because it injures and is unfair to Americans of competing religions. Marriage is contract law. If you want your marriage to correspond to your religion, fine. But all marriages don't have to correspond to your religion, they just have to be contracts that are enforced fairly, open to all qualified parties, and that doesn't include the ability or desire to breed naturally in the the heterosexual manner.