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To: manc
I don't know what is worse, your understanding of American ideals or your understanding of logic. Marriage is a contract. It entails certain rights in court, as the state enforces contracts in court. It is not inherently between a man and a woman because it's not enforced with any specific sexual roles. The man doesn't rule the family in statutory law, the woman isn't obligated to cook or even put out when she doesn't want to. Most importantly, you don't have to have kids to be married, nor do you have to be married to have kids either, or even be able to have kids at all biologically.

What about a couple of 89 year olds, straight but unable to have kids, unlikely enough to be crazy enough to adopt at their age. There is no problem with them perverting the sacred baby making contract. It is a bond between two people with certain spelled out rights and responsibilities.

Making babies is an optional part of marriage, with laws covering that option (IF YOU CHOOSE TO EXERCISE THAT OPTION), and marriage is optional for making babies, but there are still laws binding mothers and fathers to support children they have conceived or adopted. It isn't about a kid having a right to a father and a mother. If you divorce the mother of your child you may owe child support or maybe alimony, but the court doesn't and can't force you to be a good father too. The mom isn't ordered to go out and find a new dad in 90 days if she's widowed or abandoned. We don't give the state that much power, at least in my America.

Look, if you hate fags, fine, don't marry one. Some people hate blacks or Catholics or Mormons. Whatever hobby keeps you in hate juice is your right as an American. We founded America so Catholics in Maryland wouldn't be second class citizens like they would have been in Ireland under the British state Episcopal religion, so Quakers in Pennsylvania wouldn't suffer like they did in Oliver Cromwell's Puritan republic, so Protestant Huguenots would not die in the streets because Catholics wanted the French monarchy to stay Catholic, and so Jews could be non-Christian without the government sanctioned hate that eventually led to Auschwitz.

If your church denies homos marriage, fine. They can get a secular marriage or marry in a church that does love them. We just can't have the state institutionalize discrimination. As for marrying your daughter, or enjoying necrophilia or bestiality, remember, contract law (marriage) is only allowed and enforced between consenting partners. Animals, corpses and minors cannot give informed consent. I think polygamy is covered under the nature of the contract, it is between 2 people. It doesn't cover the rights and responsibilities of more than 2 people. It could be rewritten that way if the voters chose, as long as you didn't have sickos in rural Texas or Utah railroading minors into forced marriages, but I don't see voters or the courts doing that.

My point is, America doesn't sponsor one approved religion, because it injures and is unfair to Americans of competing religions. Marriage is contract law. If you want your marriage to correspond to your religion, fine. But all marriages don't have to correspond to your religion, they just have to be contracts that are enforced fairly, open to all qualified parties, and that doesn't include the ability or desire to breed naturally in the the heterosexual manner.

79 posted on 10/10/2008 6:23:58 PM PDT by ChurchStateSentry
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To: ChurchStateSentry

You sign up today just to jump on this thread?
I smell ozone!


84 posted on 10/10/2008 7:01:07 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: ChurchStateSentry

seems funny that you with your pro homo came on to this site at the same time as another pro homo name registered.

give it up hey, your pro homo views will never be accepted no matter how many times you come on here as different names.

how sad you have to have different names to try and back your perverted sick lifestyle up.

Well you can can harp on as much as you want but my kids aged 10, 7, 5 know already how sick you are mentally.

nature never intended for two men or two women to be able to have kids, you are just mentally sick and I do feel sorry for you and my kids do as well.

seek some help

PS
I’m not religious either like everyone I know we just think you are sick either get some testerone or estrogen depending on what you are(but you do not know really)


93 posted on 10/10/2008 7:55:11 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick Ma sham marriage - -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: ChurchStateSentry

why on earth do you think that if you think someone is opposed to your sick mentally view that they have to go to church

I along with many don’t, we just plainly think it is disgusting that you do things like have sex with with two men

what don’t you get with that,?

Do you honestly think that is normal?

HELLOOOOOOO
a man is poking another man and you think it is hey OK

SICK


94 posted on 10/10/2008 7:58:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick Ma sham marriage - -end racism end affirmative action)
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