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How did evolution happen then when the life expectancy was well below 50 years?




1 posted on 10/07/2008 11:30:29 AM PDT by Sopater
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see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099136/posts


2 posted on 10/07/2008 11:32:35 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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Evolution? What evolution? ;)


3 posted on 10/07/2008 11:33:06 AM PDT by sageb1 (Feminism is dead. Long live Palinism!)
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I guess his message is we can’t screw around any more.....


4 posted on 10/07/2008 11:34:00 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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It's over! Run for your lives! If the creatures around us continue to evolve and we don't...well it's Planet of the Apes, only for real, and worse! Think Planet of the Rats, and Planet of the Armadillos! Yikes!
5 posted on 10/07/2008 11:34:21 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagliine.)
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True. After me, why bother? =)
6 posted on 10/07/2008 11:34:33 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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Devolution.

BTW Devo is throwing a concert for Obama. Couldn't be more fitting.

7 posted on 10/07/2008 11:34:51 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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Well this news would explain why Congress is so stupid.


9 posted on 10/07/2008 11:35:29 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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OK, cool. Give me Anne Hathaway and we'll begin evolving.


10 posted on 10/07/2008 11:35:33 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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Gee, send over the string of 18 year old babes who want to help the cause of evolution! Who knows, we might start the Sexual Evolution!

I was a noncombatant during the Sexual Revolution, but this sounds like a great cause to save the people.

I wonder if Al Gore will come up with sexual ration coupons to give preference to old guys with small carbon footprints?

11 posted on 10/07/2008 11:37:28 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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Let’s assume evolution, then we’ll say that it’s stopped.

Can’t look at any other possibilities, like, we humans were originally created perfect, “fell”, then degenerated (LOST genetic information, not GAINED) over the generations to what we are today - genetically crippled and unable to adapt,

like poodles or dachshunds compared to their wolf ancestors.


12 posted on 10/07/2008 11:37:52 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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Well, I don't think thats true.

I mean look at dems they are in the process of reverse evolution because they are turning in slim and primordial muck as we speak.

16 posted on 10/07/2008 11:41:07 AM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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But undesirable mutations haves little or no chance of becoming the norm.


17 posted on 10/07/2008 11:41:30 AM PDT by Red Steel
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Well, duh ... I’M here! There’s no prospect of further improvement in the species.


18 posted on 10/07/2008 11:41:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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I often look at my fellow humans and wonder if it ever started.


20 posted on 10/07/2008 11:42:46 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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Jones’ thinking is pretty bad here. In the article (or a similar one I saw yesterday) they admit to a figure of hundreds of mutations in each individual (they cite 300, which is a reasonable guess from what I’ve read).

People, an average mutation level of 1 (ONE!) gives you inevitable error catastrophe leading to the extinction of the genome. Natural selection can only function, even in principle, when some indviduals are more healthy then the previous generation, and when the proportion of more-healthy and as-healthy individuals is large enough to pass along a healthy set of genes to future generations.

If too large a proportion of individuals have a less-healthy genome due to deleterious mutations, then there are only two possibilities: genomic entropy (the population becomes less fit), or extinction. With 300 mutations in every individual, more or less, and the vast majority of mutations being damaging, more or less, then what you have is a tidal wave of entropy that natural selection is pretty powerless to resist. It’s like trying to push back the tide with a shovel.

The old cop-out was that most mutations are neutral, because most genes are ‘junk’. That idea (’junk DNA’) has been discarded for some years, so the robust conclusion we face is that we are not evolving, but in danger of rapid devolution. Simulations I’ve seen (look up the software Mendel’s Accountant, free on the web), suggest a survival time in the thousands of generations for something like the human genome, at best.


21 posted on 10/07/2008 11:44:10 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Mainstream media is not mainstream. Call it what it is: Hate Media.)
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...natural selection, mutation and random change.

so, how does one tell when which is which is which ?
22 posted on 10/07/2008 11:45:32 AM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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My reaction to this article: Lol...


23 posted on 10/07/2008 11:46:25 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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He’s gonna be long since dead and dust when future historians will look back at his statement and say “File this guy under ‘Dimwits’.”


25 posted on 10/07/2008 11:48:58 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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Then again there might be advances in californication which will extend evolutionary tracks!

27 posted on 10/07/2008 11:53:58 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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With all due respect to this gentleman’s credentials he is incorrect. Humans are changing (the factors causing the change are unclear). H. Sapiens is becoming more gracile. This trend has been going on for more that 10,000 years. In addition, our brains are becoming smaller. We do not know if they are becoming more folded. If not, we are becoming less smart that we were in the past. H. Sapiens had the largest brains about 25,000 years ago. Recall that our brain requires a lot of resources to function.


28 posted on 10/07/2008 11:54:44 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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