[jessduntno]

LA Times attacks John with hal lsat quotes from those who DID NOT fly with him. Followed by one line(at the bootom) of those that did...Good Grief.

[weps4ret]

Obama made fun of John McCain not being able to use a computer for e-mail.

If I were John McCain I would point out that Obambi cannot land a fighter on the pitching deck of an aircraft carrier in the dead of night.

I wonder who is more qualified to SERVE as POTUS.

Gunner

[kcvl]

“The LAT seems a little confused about this disability. Ralph Vartabedian doesn’t seem to know whether to complain about McCain having a 100% disability even though he can still walk, muse over its tax-free status, or suggest that a disabled man cannot handle the Presidency. As a result, the article meanders through all three issues and never really reaches a conclusion.”

http://tinyurl.com/3uoglr

Ralph Vartabedian is a pig (as Greta would say).

[VOA]

This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in
his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

Gad, does anyone that become a combat pilot NOT have that sort
of self-assurance?!

The dweeb that wrote this article apparently has never watched an
episode of History Channel's "Dogfights".

Especially the WWII show that Robin Olds was in.
Telling about a couple of Luftwaffe fellows he smoke; one when
he forgot to turn on his internal fuel tanks...and smoked the
German while he (Olds) was in the glide mode with his fork-tailed devil.

And the one he managed to evade at low level, by used an EXTREME
manuever to turn the tables and down the German.

I just about could feel "the pucker factor" while watching the
show...Olds was giving some discrete chuckles at his survival of
those situations.

That's one reason I and writers at the LA Times will never be
combat pilots...we don't have the right stuff for that environment.
I know it, but apparently the LA Times "journalists" don't!!!!!

[gridlock]

We are all so used to reading about the Forrestal Fire, that we don't realize that some people are not aware of the details. Some people will not know that it was most definitely not McCain's plane that accidentally fired the Zuni rocket that touched off the fire.

With this in mind, read how the LA Times recounts the events...

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In Vietnam

McCain was a pilot on the carrier Forrestal, off the coast of Vietnam, when one of the worst accidents in Navy history killed 134 crew members and damaged or destroyed various aircraft, including McCain's.

On July 29, 1967, he and other pilots were preparing for a bombing raid when a Zuni rocket from one of the planes misfired.

The rocket hit the plane next to McCain's, killing the pilot, igniting jet fuel and touching off a chain of explosions, according to the Navy investigation. McCain, who jumped from the nose of his jet and ran through the flames, suffered minor shrapnel wounds.

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Now, keep in mind, that this description immediately follows repeated accounts of mechanical mahem on McCain's part. Note, how it says a rocket misfired on "one of the planes", and this rocket hit the plane "next to McCain's".

Now, if you know nothing about the incident, you might be justified, after reading that passage, to conclude that maybe that misfired Zuni rocket was from McCain's aircraft, and that somehow, John McCain was responsible for the fire which killed 134 men.

Of course, this is demonstrably not so. For one thing, it is not even clear that the rocket hit the plane next to McCain's instead of McCain's own plane. Secondly, McCain's aircraft was not even armed with Zuni rockets. The rocket was, in fact, fired from an F-4 Phantom across the deck. But the LA Times leaves the possibility open, and allows the reader to draw his own conclusion.

Disgusting little pricks, they are...

[StayoutdaBushesWay]

BTW- I don't know if this is mentioned, but this story is on the front page of the slimes.
Hey, but at least it's below the fold! < /sarcasm>

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[Carley]

Who produced these documents, Mary Mapes?

[pepsi_junkie]

Hah hah! This from the side that keeps saying how despicable the swift boaters were! The main difference is that in that case, the people who knew Kerry or knew of him back then disputed his account of his own heroism, said events could not have and did not happen the way he said. And thus his heroism was at best exaggerated. In this case, people who didn't know him and didn't fly with him are saying McCain might not have been a very good pilot based on some old reports. His herosim remains undisputed.

Well, for Kerry there were consequences, the people decided that they couldn't trust him and he was not elected President. In this case, since the allegations relate to McCains flight skills let's go ahead and say that for the sake of fairness, we not let John McCain fly any more sorties. He's grounded. Okay, that resolves that. Next issue?

[GBA]

I was expecting to read something horrible, but instead my respect for McCain went up. Instead, he sounds like a fighter pilot, maybe not the best student pilot, but certainly better than most.

Ok, so he lost a couple of Spads, but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad pilot. Most people have no idea what a navy pilot has to deal with. For example, when they think about landing a jet airplane, they probably think of several thousand feet of wide, smooth runway, maybe a nice sunny day with a light wind. That picture's a couple of light years away from what a carrier pilot has. More likely, it's a pitching carrier deck, often at night and sometimes in the nastiest weather you could ever imagine, and more than likely too low on fuel for a go around. There is nothing obama has ever done that could compare to McCain's flying time.

[LibLieSlayer]

barry hussein has no verifiable past... he could have crashed a 747 jumbo jet and we would never know... because the marxist muzzie has sealed his past from view. Senator Antichrist is a POS LIAR!

LLS

[crazydad]

Lets remember Jimmy Doolittle had a dozen or so crashes when he was a pilot and he went on to become one of WW2s greatest Heroes. So STFU LA times.

[SolidRedState]

Buried in the article, one of his mates tells this story..

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“John was what you called a push-the-envelope guy,” said Sam H. Hawkins, who flew with McCain’s VA-44 squadron in the 1960s and now teaches political science at Florida Atlantic University. “There are some naval aviators who are on the cautious side. They don’t get out on the edges, but the edges are where you get the maximum out of yourself and out of your plane. That’s where John operated. And when you are out there, you take risks.”

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Sounds about right. Go John!

[neodad]

Jeremiah Pearson, a Navy officer who flew 400 missions over Vietnam without a mishap and later became the head of human spaceflight at NASA, said: "That's a lot. You don't want any. Maybe he was just unlucky."

Yeah, like they've never had any mishaps.

[Hulka]

>> his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.<<

Gee. . . imagine that. . .a cocky fighter pilot that laughed at danger and explored the envelope of the jet. . . .the dolt writer doesn't know fighter pilots. . .they are ALL cocky, cavalier and test limits.

>>In today's military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot's career.<<

No, there is a difference between a err in judgment (mistake) and a deliberate violation of rules (crime).

The mistake, if you live through it, may kill you, cause a change in procedure, more training, or at worse,grounding.

A crime results in prosecution and a career ended.

[lacrew]

Its a hit piece...that makes McCain out to be Tom Cruise in Top Gun. Keep it up fellas. McCain was flying jets while Obama was s#*$$ing yellow!

[TalBlack]

McCain should embrace this evaluation of his record and past and USE IT to demonstrate that ALMOST NOTHING OF THE VERY LITTLE THAT OBAMA HAS DONE IS AUDITABLE SINCE ALMOST EVERY RECORD FROM EVERY ERA OF HIS CAREER IS MISSING OR LOCKED FROM VIEW.

[Cinnamon Girl]

Was this on the front page of the LA Slimes? It should be, because it is hot breaking news and very very important to this election. Plus it’s totally fact based and excellent reporting. Just like all the outstanding stories in the LA Slimes.

[Josh Painter]

You forgot the “McCain was a lousy pilot” ALERT

LA Slimes is in the (septic) tank for 0bama.

[Centurion2000]

revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

Uhm, they install this into them in pilot training. Like standard equipment.

[word_warrior_bob]

Barack Hussein Obama campaigning for an Anti-American Communist in 2006 on foreign soil on the taxpayer dollar in 2006 was no “mishap”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

How about Obama openly campaigning for his communist cousin Odinga who signed a pact with Muslims to enact Sharia Law if elected and started riots when he lost. Obama campaigned for an openly Anti-American candidate in a foreign country in 2006.