Posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PDT by Amityschild
The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.
Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.
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Actually, McCain would get the Democrat nomination and someone like Chuck Baldwin can run against him. :)
If he has one he will produce it and stop the nonsense.
Past presidents had two American parents traceable and verifiable along with his time and place of birth. This has never been an issue which does not mean, as you apparently believe, that it cannot be one.
Lincoln has about the most tenuous past of any president I am aware of yet his descent is verifiable.
And the procedure is simple. Provide a valid birth certificate to the Electoral College.
While the Courts might indeed be involved in this issue the final decision as to who is President is in the hands of the House no matter what the Courts say or don’t say. The Constitution does not say the decision goes to court if the Electoral College can’t decide but to the House. There is nothing doubtful about this.
The House as constituted now.
Is Chuck one of Alex’s brothers?
Good point!
Nonsense. The Constitution states that the winner must have a majority of the electoral votes cast. If McCain doesn't then in your scenario regardless of what happens to Obama the election would have to go to the House.
Your “expectation” may not be what the electors would do. They are free to anything they want.
But these are Democratic electors. They'll go for Biden before McCain.
Why?
Past presidents had two American parents traceable and verifiable along with his time and place of birth. This has never been an issue which does not mean, as you apparently believe, that it cannot be one.
But they have never been required to produce proof. And I would point out that your claim that Obama's time and place of birth are verifiable would hold a lot more weight if you had any evidence to support your claim. Do you?
And where is this procedure laid out? Or did you just make it up?
Uh, Yes. He has gotten away with scam after scam, lunatic pastor, crooked friends, terrorist sponsors so why wouldn’t he. Even here we have people acting as though it does not matter if he is not eligible and there is no mechanism to use to show he is or is not.
Why?
There is a constitutional requirement that a president must satisfy.
All past presidents’ “proof” was their lives spent in open activity among people who knew them. Zero, on the other hand, has a life lived far from Americans for many years, with parentage not automatically conveying citizenship; a life charecterized by periods of unknown, hidden and covered up activity generally devoted to undermining our society and agrandizing himself. Without the obscurity and coverups this question would have never arrived. Then trying to palm off a fraudulent document to “prove” his case just adds fuel to the fire as do the lawyer-upping rather than just providing a legit document.
If his time and place are known and appropriate he certainly is giving his best imitation of one who cannot show that they allow him to be president. His grandmother in Kenya claims to have seen him being born in Kenya. If his time and place of birth are unverifiable he is not eligible to be President since our Constitution stipulates that natural citizenship is required. There is no “possibly” a natural citizen allowed.
Electors would not be cast for a unqualified candidate or accepted by the EC.
The constitution refers to a “majority of the electoral votes appointed...” and they are appointed by the States. So the decision first rests with the States. These are sent to the President of the Senate who opens them in front of the whole Congress. Now I would not assume that should Zero be disqualified that would mean the states would all just give them to Biden. Should they do so that opens up a whole can of worms wrt how to select a VP.
Electors are not “Democrat” or “Republican” they are completely free agents. How they would react to such a constitutional crisis as this would be is totally unpredictable.
I do agree this would end in the House should it transpire.
I just made it up.
But the Constitution will not be mocked and it has specific requirements to be president. It there is a question it cannot be just swept under the rug and pretend that the question is impossible to answer because it never had to be asked before. Just more “change”, eh?
Based on what?
Now I would not assume that should Zero be disqualified that would mean the states would all just give them to Biden.
What makes you think they would go to McCain?
Electors are not “Democrat” or “Republican” they are completely free agents.
No they are not. Each party selects its slate of electors, and if the majority of the people in the state vote for their candidate then that't the slate that casts their voted in the Electoral College. They are very much partiasan selections.
No arguement there. The question is how this is satisfied. Making up requirements for Obama that not a single prior presidential candidate has had to meet isn't the way to do it. Perhaps out of this will come procedures that future presidential candidates have to meet, perhaps not. But changing the rules for Obama mid campaign, and basing your requirement on stories without any evidence backing them up is not legal. Until that changes you're just going to have to keep on digging.
Electors are bound by the Constitution’s requirements for the presidency. Theoretically they cannot legally even cast a ballot for one who is ineligible. Such a ballot would be illegal on its face. I could not have a vote counted for Mickey Mouse either.
One possibility is that McCain’s bipartisianship would induce some elector/states to give him the presidency and leave Biden as VP. That is almost as likely as any other outcome. It would give a great deal of cover for a party which had nominated a non-citizen and facing destruction. Should the Democrats have actually done that it would be an incredible event, unparalleled in our history.
There is no requirement that any Elector cast his ballot a certain way no matter what partisianship went into his election. Should they all become righteous and vote for McCain there would not be a damned thing that could be done about it.
Having proof of citizenship is not a new requirement that Obama must meet. All presidents met it and all future presidents must. There are legal procedures in place for proving citizenship if there is a need to do so. Nothing new or onerous is being asked of Zero. No rules are being changed and the actual rule, that a president must be a natural born citizen to qualify, will not be WAIVED for Zero as so many have been.
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