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Can you be pro-life and support Senator Obama?(Obama 100% record Pro_abortion)
http://www.prolifeproobama.com/ ^ | Oct 4,2008 | www.prolifeproobama.com

Posted on 10/03/2008 9:34:24 PM PDT by Maelstorm

Barack Obama's life has been one dedicated in service to the needs of others.

We are all called to build a culture of life - but there's more to it than just hoping that the next Supreme Court justice somehow deals with Roe v. Wade. A bad economy is threatening to human life. Women facing the moral tragedy of abortion - are facing it, now, today - and they need a supportive community and tangible help, not condemnation.

As Ronald Reagan's legal counsel and as a dean and professor at Catholic University and Notre Dame, I have worked to put the law on the side of life where it belongs.

But after 35 years, a new approach is needed. Too many unborn lives are being lost as we wait for judges to get it right. Barack Obama's strengthening of support for prenatal care, health care, maternity leave, and adoption will make the difference. Studies confirm

(Excerpt) Read more at prolifeproobama.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; election; electionpresident; elections; obama; obamarecord; prolife; prolifevote
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To: Maelstorm

There is no way a person can really be pro-life and support any pro-abortion candidate.

I have always wondered how Catholics could justify voting for pro-abortion candidates— can anyone explain that to me? I know an elderly lady that is hard-core Catholic- by that I mean she goes to the church constantly, claims to follow the Catholic teachings—and is planning on voting for Obama because “he is for the little guy” well he sure isn’t for the little babies so how really can she possibly even think about voting for Obama?


21 posted on 10/03/2008 10:39:41 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Tzimisce
"...the guy fought for INFANTICIDE..."

I think that makes him 150% pro-abortion.

23 posted on 10/03/2008 11:14:21 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: xsmommy

Did you see this? I think he’s definitely crossed over to the dark side. Tragic.


24 posted on 10/04/2008 12:49:43 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Maelstorm
Can you be Pro Life and commit suicide?

Only if you're an Obama voter and do it prior to November 4, 2008.

25 posted on 10/04/2008 12:58:20 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Biden, the new Ebony and Ivory.)
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To: Maelstorm

Only a true Nazi could twist murder into life. Only a true Nazi could somehow think that child care is more important than the child’s life.


26 posted on 10/04/2008 1:38:00 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Maelstorm

Sadly, as a Catholic, I have to say that this just shows that at best many consider liberal politics their god or religion and at worst many still worship the golden calf. The mental gymnastics or rationalization Douglas W. Kmiec makes are amazing. Perhaps the kindest thing I can say is he confused and has been involved in academic world too long. Reminds me of the philosophy professor I knew who said he couldn’t prove his own existence so he determined it didn’t matter what he did morally.
The mistake Kmiec makes is that when we think about someone worshipping money or putting money first we often talk about the rich but poor people do it too. Putting social services ahead of pro-life abortion is just another form of money lust. I know that may sound harsh but that is essentially the argument. “Barack Obama’s strengthening of support for prenatal care, health care, maternity leave, and adoption will make the difference. Studies confirm it” Actually they don’t-look at Europe. Never mind that Obama will within 60 days of taking office use tax payer dollars to subsidize abortions internationally. I’m referencing the Hyde amendment and Obama has pledge to restore those funds. So no, a Catholic cannot support someone as pro-abortion as Obama -unless the golden calf is more important to him.


27 posted on 10/04/2008 3:01:03 AM PDT by TCTopcat
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To: Maelstorm

Simple answer....no!

JoMa


28 posted on 10/04/2008 6:28:48 AM PDT by joma89
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To: secret garden; Canticle_of_Deborah

Kmiec is doing the devil’s work.


29 posted on 10/04/2008 7:58:25 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Tammy8

They are, unfortunately misled, and the Church is trying to right that wrong this election season. i have heard several excellent sermons in different Catholic churches in the past month or so outlining why abortion is the preeminent issue and NOT to be equated with the social justice issues that liberal Catholics try to gin up as a reason to vote for Obama. Abortion is inherently evil, ALWAYS. the other issues have a variety of solutions and reasonable Catholics can differ on those, but there can not be any differing on the premise that Abortion is the ultimate evil.


30 posted on 10/04/2008 8:02:27 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: F15Eagle

Would like to expand on this just a little. Can a patriotic, God fearing, intelligent American (which is my definition of an American) vote for an angry, hate America, ignorant, incompetent and uninformed individual by the name of Obama, who, upon receiving the required number of electoral votes would become President of the United States.

And to those who did vote for Obama, I would have to question their patriotism and intelligence.


31 posted on 10/04/2008 8:47:46 AM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: xsmommy

I received this via email yesterday so I don’t have a link. Doug Kmiec and the other allegedly pro-life Obama supporter need to read this (anyone have their email addresses?). Long but very good read.


At the direction of the Most Reverend Bishop, this letter is to be read by the celebrant at all Masses of Obligation on Respect Life Weekend, Saturday, October 4, and Sunday, October 5, at the time of and instead of the homily.
Moreover, a copy of the letter should be circulated with all parish bulletins on this same weekend.

A PASTORAL LETTER FROM BISHOP MARTINO
Respect Life Sunday

My brothers and sisters in Christ,

The American Catholic bishops initiated Respect Life Sunday in 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in the United States. Since that time, Catholics across the country observe the month of October with devotions and pro-life activities in order to advance the culture of life. This October, our efforts have more significance than ever. Never have we seen such abusive criticism directed toward those who believe that life begins at conception and ends at natural death.

As Catholics, we should not be surprised by these developments. Forty years ago, Pope Paul VI predicted that widespread use of artificial contraceptives would lead to increased marital infidelity, lessened regard for women, and a general lowering of moral standards especially among the young. Forty years later, social scientists, not necessarily Catholics, attest to the accuracy of his predictions. As if following some bizarre script, the sexual revolution has produced widespread marital breakdown, weakened family ties, legalized abortion, sexually transmitted diseases, pornography, same-sex unions, euthanasia, destruction of human embryos for research purposes and a host of other ills.

It is impossible for me to answer all of the objections to the Church’s teaching on life that we hear every day in the media. Nevertheless, let me address a few. To begin, laws that protect abortion constitute injustice of the worst kind. They rest on several false claims including that there is no certainty regarding when life begins, that there is no certainty about when a fetus becomes a person, and that some human beings may be killed to advance the interests or convenience of others. With regard to the first, reason and science have answered the question. The life of a human being begins at conception. The Church has long taught this simple truth, and science confirms it. Biologists can now show you the delicate and beautiful development of the human embryo in its first days of existence. This is simply a fac t that reasonable people accept. Regarding the second, the embryo and the fetus have the potential to do all that an adult person does. Finally, the claim that the human fetus may be sacrificed to the interests or convenience of his mother or someone else is grievously wrong. All three claims have the same result: the weakest and most vulnerable are denied, because of their age, the most basic protection that we demand for ourselves. This is discrimination at its worst, and no person of conscience should support it.

Another argument goes like this: “As wrong as abortion is, I don’t think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.” This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. Health care, education, economic security, immigration, and taxes are very important concerns. Neglect of any one of them has dire consequences as the recent financial crisis demonstrates. However, the solutions to problems in these areas do not usually involve a rejection of the sanctity of human life in the way that abortion does. Being “right” on taxes, education, health care, immigration, and the economy fai ls to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life. Consider this: the finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day. It is a tragic irony that “pro-choice” candidates have come to support homicide – the gravest injustice a society can tolerate – in the name of “social justice.”

Even the Church’s just war theory has moral force because it is grounded in the principle that innocent human life must be protected and defended. Now, a person may, in good faith, misapply just war criteria leading him to mistakenly believe that an unjust war is just, but he or she still knows that innocent human life may not be harmed on purpose. A person who supports permissive abortion laws, however, rejects the truth that innocent human life may never be destroyed. This profound moral failure runs deeper and is more corrupting of the individual, and of the society, than any error in applying just war criteria to particular cases.

Furthermore, National Right to Life reports that 48.5 million abortions have been performed since 1973. One would be too many. No war, no natural disaster, no illness or disability has claimed so great a price.

In saying these things in an election year, I am in very good company. My predecessor, Bishop Timlin, writing his pastoral letter on Respect Life Sunday 2000, stated the case eloquently:

Abortion is the issue this year and every year in every campaign. Catholics may not turn away from the moral challenge that abortion poses for those who seek to obey God’s commands. They are wrong when they assert that abortion does not concern them, or that it is only one of a multitude of issues of equal importance. No, the taking of innocent human life is so heinous, so horribly evil, and so absolutely opposite to the law of Almighty God that abortion must take precedence over every other issue. I repeat. It is the single most important issue confronting not only Catholics, but the entire electorate.

My fellow bishops, writing ten years ago, explained why some evils – abortion and euthanasia in particular – take precedence over other forms of violence and abuse.

The failure to protect life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community. If we understand the human person as ‘the temple of the Holy Spirit’ – the living house of God – then these latter issues fall logically into place as the crossbeams and walls of that house. All direct attacks on innocent human life, such as abortion and euthanasia, strike at the house’s foundation [emphasis in the original]. These directly and immediately violate the human person’s most fundamental right – the right to life. Neglect of these issues is the equivalent of building our house on sand. Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics, 23.& nbsp;

While the Church assists the State in the promotion of a just society, its primary concern is to assist men and women in achieving salvation. For this reason, it is incumbent upon bishops to correct Catholics who are in error regarding these matters. Furthermore, public officials who are Catholic and who persist in public support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will be vigilant on this subject.

It is the Church’s role now to be a prophet in our own country, reminding all citizens of what our founders meant when they said that “. . . all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” The Church’s teaching that all life from conception to natural death should be protected by law is founded on religious belief to be sure, but it is also a profoundly American principle founded on reason. Whenever a society asks its citizens to violate its own foundational principles – as well as their moral consciences – citizens have a right, indeed an obligation, to refuse.

In 1941, Bishop Gustave von Galen gave a homily condemning Nazi officials for murdering mentally ill people in his diocese of Muenster, Germany. The bishop said:

“Thou shalt not kill!” God wrote this commandment in the conscience of man long before any penal code laid down the penalty for murder, long before there was any prosecutor or any court to investigate and avenge a murder. Cain, who killed his brother Abel, was a murderer long before there were any states or any courts or law. And he confessed his deed, driven by his accusing conscience: “My punishment is greater than I can bear. . . and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me the murderer shall slay me” (Genesis 4:13-14)”

Should he have opposed the war and remained silent about the murder of the mentally ill? No person of conscience can fail to understand why Bishop von Galen spoke as he did.

My dear friends, I beg you not to be misled by confusion and lies. Our Lord, Jesus Christ, does not ask us to follow him to Calvary only for us to be afraid of contradicting a few bystanders along the way. He does not ask us to take up his Cross only to have us leave it at the voting booth door. Recently, Pope Benedict XVI said that “God is so humble that he uses us to spread his Word.” The gospel of life, which we have the privilege of proclaiming, resonates in the heart of every person – believer and non-believer – because it fulfills the heart’s most profound desire. Let us with one voice continue to speak the language of love and affirm the right of every human being to have the value of his or her life, from conception to natural death, respected to the highest degree.

October is traditionally the month of the Rosary. Let us pray the Rosary for the strength and fortitude to uphold the truths of our faith and the requirements of our law to all who deny them. And, let us ask Our Lady to bless our nation and the weakest among us.

May Mary, the mother of Jesus, the Lord of Life, pray for us.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Most Reverend Joseph F. Martino, D.D., Hist. E.D.
Bishop of Scranton


32 posted on 10/04/2008 2:57:10 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Repentance is a contract with God for a second life - St. John Climacus)
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To: Maelstorm

Diabolical site.

Unfortunately, there is no blog where I can post the letter.


33 posted on 10/04/2008 3:02:55 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Repentance is a contract with God for a second life - St. John Climacus)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Amen Bishop!


34 posted on 10/04/2008 3:46:43 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Maelstorm

**Can you be pro-life and support Senator Obama?(Obama 100% record Pro_abortion)**

No!


35 posted on 10/04/2008 11:13:09 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: secret garden
More Bishops who came out against Pelosi et al.

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  19. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
  25. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn: "Judging the Candidates"

{Last updated on September 10th.}

Notes:

  • Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
  • Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
  • #26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th

36 posted on 10/04/2008 11:14:59 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: xsmommy

Informative post.


37 posted on 10/05/2008 6:49:57 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Maelstorm; All

Here’s all any Conservative needs to know about Barrack Hussein Obama:

Special Interest Group Ratings:

Planned Parenthood - 100% Support
National Right To Life - 0% Support
NARAL - 100% Support
Americans for Tax Reform - 0% Support
ACLU - 83% Support
NEA - 100% Support
NOW Hags - 100% Support
Citizens Against Government Waste - 13% Support
Gun Owners of America - 0% Support
NRA - “F” Rating
Federation for American Immigration Reform - 0% Support
US Border Patrol - 8% Support
Unions - 82% - 100% Support
Population Connection - 100% Support (These are the ‘Zero Growth’ freaks)

http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS030017

[Barrack Hussein Obama’s record in the Illinois senate:]

- Opposed the Defense of Marriage Act; would work to repeal it in the U.S. Senate; would not vote for any legislation that would restrict the ability of gays and lesbians to marry.
- Opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times in Illinois. A similar bill passed the U.S. Senate 98-0. The Born Alive bill would have prohibited a baby from being born alive but left to die according to the mother’s wishes. Obama inexplicably opposed this bill not once, twice, or three times, but four times.
- Obama took almost $90,000 in bundled contributions from the Council for a Livable World. The council is a well-known anti-defense organization.
- Obama puts rigid ideology before what’s best for the people of Illinois, and presumably he would do that as President as well. He has on several occasions made public his opposition to the NAFTA trade agreement and his belief that it must be negotiated. All the while thanks to NAFTA, Illinois exports $1.3 billion in agricultural goods to Canada.
- Obama refused to vote for a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers.
- Obama voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders.
- Finally, just in case you thought it couldn’t get any worse, Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote against a bill that prohibited early release for sexual predators.

Can’t kill the innocent fast enough, can’t free the guilty soon enough!

Here’s all any Conservative needs to know about Joe Biden:

Special Interest Group Ratings:

NARAL: 100%
Planned Parenthood: 100%
National Right to Life: 0%
Sportsmen and Animals Alliance: 0%
The Humane Society: 100%
National Tax Limitation Committee: “F” Grade
Americans for Tax Reform: 10%
National Association of Manufacturers: 0%
ACLU: 92 - 100%
NAACP: 100%
Iranian American PAC: 100%
NEA: A+ Rating (Teacher’s Union)
League of Conservation Voters: 100%
Family Research Council: “O” Rating
Citizen’s for Global Solutions: A+ Rating
Jews for Peace in Palestine & Israel: -1%
Brady Campaign: 95-100% (Gun Grabbers)
NRA: “F” Rating
American Immigration Lawyers Association: 100%
AFL-CIO: 100% (Near 100% ratings on ALL Unions)
Center for Security Policy: 21%
Population Connection: 100% (These are the ‘Zero-Growth’ freaks)
All “End Poverty Now By Throwing Money Down a Rathole” groups: 100%

This guy is to the LEFT of Obama, if you can imagine it!

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53279


38 posted on 10/05/2008 6:52:32 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: secret garden

Today is Respect Life Sunday, we’ll see which priests read from their bishop’s scripts today.


39 posted on 10/05/2008 7:41:43 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

that is a masterful job.


40 posted on 10/05/2008 7:42:47 AM PDT by xsmommy
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