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House, Senate Democrats derail package of tax cuts (flare-up threatens renewable-energy tax breaks)
The Hill ^ | 9/29/08 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

A blowup between the Senate and conservative House Democrats has derailed a package of tax cuts, including tax incentives for renewable-energy production, which Democratic leaders hoped to count as a major accomplishment.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) bluntly told Democratic Senate leaders to show some backbone and stand up to Republicans who oppose the House version of the tax package, which includes offsets.

“We’ve been willing to compromise on everything, but not on fiscal sanity. That is why we ask Senate Democrats to stand up to the Republican minority,” said Hoyer.

But Senate Democrats fired back at their Democratic colleagues in the House, accusing them of taking too adamant a stance in the face of overwhelming opposition.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) pleaded with House Democrats to understand his difficult position: a slim majority, procedural rules that empower minority opposition, and the regular absence of three members of his caucus.

“I do not have the strength and the power — legislatively, procedurally — that they have in the House,” said Reid on the chamber floor.

“My majority is extremely slim, 51-49, when everybody is here,” he said. “I just beg my House colleagues to understand, this isn’t something that we are trying to surprise them with.”

House Democrats, led by Hoyer and members of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition, flatly rejected a Senate package that included energy tax relief extensions, business tax relief extensions and an extension of Alternative Minimum Tax relief.

Senate negotiators combined those tax breaks with disaster relief, mental health parity legislation and a bill to help rural schools.

The unexpected hard-line stance taken by House Democrats caught their Senate counterparts by surprise. Most painfully for Democratic leaders, the flare-up threatens renewable-energy tax breaks, which they hoped to count as a significant achievement of the 110th Congress.

“It’s unthinkable to leave town without renewing the tax extenders for renewable energy,” said Sen. Byron Dorgan (N.D.), chairman of the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.

A Democratic lobbyist said leaders had hoped their candidates would be able to tout the renewable-energy tax breaks on the campaign trail.

“They want to go home and campaign on that,” said the lobbyist.

A victory on taxes would have helped offset the loss they suffered on offshore drilling.

Congressional leaders this weekend sent to President Bush a $630 billion stopgap spending measure that lifted the congressional moratorium on offshore drilling.

Conservative Democrats balked at the Senate-crafted package because it failed to offset the cost of many of the tax-relief extensions, said a senior Democratic aide. The Senate bill would cost $107 billion over 10 years.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, said House Democrats should accept the Senate package because it passed by an overwhelming vote in the upper chamber and Bush has promised to sign it. He noted that Bush has vowed to veto the House alternative package.

House Democrats wanted to help pay for the proposals in their package by closing what they call tax “loopholes” for hedge fund managers.

“That’s why we ask Senate Democrats to stand firm against the Republicans insisting on the principle that we must finance tax cuts with debt,” Hoyer said.

The derailment of the tax package also threatens to subject tens of millions of Americans to higher Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) rates next year, a scary political scenario for many Democrats who represent higher-income areas of the nation, such as the Northeast, that would be the hardest-hit.

Sen. Jon Kyl (Ariz.), the Republican whip, told The Hill that Republicans would not support AMT relief legislation if it were separated from the larger package.

Senate Republicans have refused to consider any alternative to the carefully negotiated package of tax cuts that it sent to the House early Monday.

Reid told his House counterparts that, otherwise, he would accept their proposal to break the tax package up into smaller pieces.

“If it were up to me, I would accept this in a second,” said Reid.

But House Democrats are getting sick of the Senate’s hardball tactics.

Citing an attempt earlier in the 110th Congress to force House Democrats to accept a Senate-drafted surveillance bill without changes, Hoyer said his colleagues are not going to let themselves be jammed again.

“We’ve seen it before. Some of you remember FISA — the message was the same, ” said Hoyer, in reference to an overhaul of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. “Legislation by blunt force is not the way, as I said, we ought to proceed.”

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said that House Democrats may be more open to compromise in the wake of the defeat of a $700 billion Wall Street bailout package, which sent the stock market plummeting more than 700 points.

Economic experts warn that millions of Americans could lose their jobs if a rescue plan doesn’t pass.

Baucus predicted that House Democrats would be more amenable when faced with the prospect of letting tax breaks expire while the nation’s economy teeters on the brink of recession.

“There are more dynamics in play now,” he said, speaking of how the bailout would affect negotiations on tax cuts. “Things are related.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bluedogs; democrats; derail; renewableenergy; taxcuts

1 posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

The. Worst. Congress. in the history of the nation. Congratulations!


2 posted on 09/29/2008 8:50:21 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: NormsRevenge
The Blue Dogs are panicked... they're worried about the election. They just helped to shoot down the socialist bailout. Now they're saying NO to the Democrats election eve spending plans!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 09/29/2008 8:51:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SMCC1

I thought 0bama was uniting the libs. They can’t even stand each other.


4 posted on 09/29/2008 8:51:56 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (Socialism has ruined Latin America, let's not let it ruin the USA!)
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To: SMCC1

A Do Nothing Congress can’t screw anything up.

That’s a win in my book


5 posted on 09/29/2008 8:53:38 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cannot quit laughing — The Dem Majority wants them to stand up to the Minority. What am I missing here? :)


6 posted on 09/29/2008 8:54:44 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER -- VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

We can still vote them out.


7 posted on 09/29/2008 8:56:20 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Gridlock, IS GREAT!
8 posted on 09/29/2008 8:58:27 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass ("Annoy the media, elect PALIN and McCAIN....errr....McCAIN / PALIN.....McPALIN" 8^)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow, a bill without any money for a new highway?

That might be a first...


9 posted on 09/29/2008 8:59:32 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: NormsRevenge

You got to laugh. Laugh or go insane. I choose laughter.

Republicans just need to run ads highlighting their experiment with the Democrat Majority has failed miserably and provide the examples.


10 posted on 09/29/2008 9:02:03 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: NormsRevenge; SouthTexas; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp
OPERATION CHAOS CONTINUES. The Rats are caught up in the perfect storm of taxpayer anger and a looming election. Why do the Pubs only have a backbone when they are in the minority.

It's going to be slim Pickens for Slim Pickens if the alt energy tax credits get axed. What's not to like here...

11 posted on 09/29/2008 9:13:36 PM PDT by tubebender (Why do we drive a on a Parkway but park on a Driveway)
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To: NormsRevenge
“That’s why we ask Senate Democrats to stand firm against the Republicans insisting on the principle that we must finance tax cuts with debt,” Hoyer said.

Steny, buddy, pal, tax cuts pay for themselves.
12 posted on 09/29/2008 9:19:06 PM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Tell Congress thanks but no thanks for that spending. If we want a gas pipeline from Alaska to the hungry US markets...we will build it ourselves.


13 posted on 09/29/2008 9:19:20 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: NormsRevenge

These democrats are getting pulled in too many directions by their loony constituents. They literaly have no unity because they are bursting at the seams.


14 posted on 09/29/2008 9:23:17 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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To: mlocher
Hey..the commies taught their sheeple to hate “wall street” and Bush to the extreme.. It's their own darn fault they were so stupid to devised a plan to bring down the economy based on the ability to convince people to bail out “the devil”. They didn't count on average Americans risking their financial futures to save the country from socialism...they still believe their own strawmen.

Live by a lie..die by a lie.

15 posted on 09/29/2008 9:32:34 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Earthdweller
They didn't count on average Americans risking their financial futures to save the country from socialism

You have a point. I also think that these average Americans, who earned what they have, are tired of poor decisions by people who default on their mortgages and by the poor decisions made by businesses that lent them the money. [Most] Americans do believe in risk and rewards.

16 posted on 09/29/2008 9:39:51 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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To: mlocher

If this doesn’t renew you faith in the goodness of the American people...nothing will.


17 posted on 09/29/2008 9:56:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: tubebender; NormsRevenge
Why do the Pubs only have a backbone when they are in the minority.

Does seem that way doesn't it?

If a slap down for the cornholios is all we can get out of the numerous fiascos, I'll take it.

18 posted on 09/30/2008 5:55:46 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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To: SouthTexas; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; fish hawk
You really have to dig deep to learn that 95 denocRATS voted against this POS including our very own Mike Thompson. I have been putting my FReeper skills to good use on the local paper's comments site.

Here is one to mass mail your friends and enemies now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXr9oLd9S4

19 posted on 09/30/2008 6:19:31 AM PDT by tubebender (Why do we drive a on a Parkway but park on a Driveway)
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To: tubebender
"What's not to like here..."

"Nutin honey!" (smirk)

20 posted on 09/30/2008 11:14:43 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama... Just another lying Commonist Communutty Organizing thug from the south side of Chicago!!!)
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